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  2. #freejagginow

    1) Yes It's strange because he is not mr average joe british punjabi going for a holiday. I am fully supportive of his earliest release by the authorities in punjab. However to me this case is abnormal as for a british born guy who is against the Indian establishment by highlighting their crimes online to the world then wonders off to the same country on holiday that does not acknowledge the horrible genocidal crimes it committed against his community nor jails those responsible but gives them high govermental posts and z+ commando secutity. You think India has civilized? their drunkard uncivilized police is not using torture against their own and foreign civilians? not corrupt? I certainly wouldn't take the risk going to India unless I was there to help bring down the corrupt regime that's for sure. Why dont you see activists in the west like those who campaign against human rights abuses go to countries such as saudi, china, etc? because they would be tortured and/or killed by the corrupt brutal evil regimes. So I'm guessing he knew the risks but just got unlucky cos India does have a pretty top of the range cyber intelligence monitoring facilities, they have started to oppress, raid and jail those citizens who raise their voices against state corruption and state terrorism by india.. its strange he didnt think Indian authorities would not be keen to pick people like him up. He is lucky he is Britsh and Sikhs in the west will raise their voice for him and tarnish India's image aboard and harm india's national interests too if need be. Why you think a black lists exists against Sikhs born in India? As they actively campaign against Indian establishment for their terrorism against Sikh civilians. Why do you think they never go back to India? come on use your brain... 2) Tan Dhesi MP can only do so much for Sikh causes his primary objective is to cater for his constituents who elected him either way he is a visible symbol of a British born Sikh in the houses of parliament and he must recognise he represents the interests of the British Sikh population who look to him aswell as Preet Kaur MP to raise their voices for their fellow Sikh being held unjustifiably by the Indian authorities. Just as Muslim MP's fight for causes for their religious community as do Jewish MP's for Israels' interests and as do Hindu MP's for India's interests. Sikh MP's should actively fight for self determination of a Sikh homeland, highlight human rights abuses against Sikhs aboard and aswell as deal with issues and concerns of their constituents. 3) And no you grow up. There is a such a thing as doing a citizens arrest against known criminals. If British Sikhs are so passionate about protesting let them take direct action in arresting these dodgy Indian officials when they visit the UK to serve as a deterrent against Sikhs being killed or detained in india for dodgy grounds or anti-human rights reasons. Sometimes you gotta take a stand on an issue you care passionately about. If you remember the case of gay human rights activist peter thatchill he tried to make a citizens arrest of zimbabawe president robert mugabe when he visited the UK he failed to do that but it highlighted in the media further the crimes of mugabe . If even 100 Sikhs did the same the next time a high ranking India official came to visit the UK there will be a mini riot and it will radicalise a whole generation of sleeping well integrated and law abiding british Sikhs against injustices of any state that physically attacks them (which the govt can ill afford) Nothing in life is given to you on a plate you have to fight for it and ensure you keep fighting to maintain your human rights and equal treatment in society. 4) And lastly Nazanin is a british Spy working for MI6 and she is married to a fellow officer. UK foreign secretary Boris johnson MP the goof, let the cat out of the bag when he told the parliamentary committee she was training iranians how to be journalists, he wouldn't have said such a specific thing if it wasnt true and he wasn't briefed about it by intelligence officers. And if you know anything about foreign intelligence gathering you'd know must foreign spies work under cover as journalists and in NGO's to give a free pass in accessing area's or influencing populations of their enemy/rivals. So come on time to wake up and come into the real world, what you see on the news is only half the story. The true full story they never want to reveal openly cos it could harm their governments national and economic interests.
  3. Words Of Wisdom

    Beautiful.. where do u get all these little stories.. I’m reading and they make me think wow.. thank u
  4. #freejagginow

    Pressure uk mps, crown..to demand jaggi be extradited to UK Jio_/\_ http://maddiemccannmystery.forumotion.co.uk/t579-prosecution-of-uk-nationals-for-crimes-abroad
  5. #freejagginow

    1. nothing strange ... he went to get engaged and married ...just like a whole lot of our families. Mum had done the rishta with older bro's help before passing 2 Tan dhesi has been involved too, but Preet Kaur Gill is the leader of the cross-party political group helping sikhs 3 grow up , you can't just wander into another country and do what you like neither can you detain officials this isn't India diplomatic immunity means something in international law.. india refused to sign the international accord on human rights which included agreement to not use torture or compelled confessions so there you have proof positive that India cannot be touched by that law as they didn't agree to be bound by it. Nazanin is not a british spy , and she too is suffering Iranian jail away from her husband and child , she has been held on a false case and will have another tried which she will possibly be locked up for 16 years . The human right organisations are trying their best to highlight her case.
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  7. Words Of Wisdom

    " SABR " I’ve always wondered what SABR (Patience ) is I was never given a proper definition so my concept of it was somewhat distorted; All I understood was that you wait until it’s over. But now, if I were to put it into words, this is what I’ve gathered so far: SÂBR is suppressing that angry voice in your head, the one that wants to yell at people for being inconsiderate to your struggle. SÂBR is swallowing this voice, overcoming it and learning to channel it towards a heartfelt du'a instead. SÂBR is forgiving someone when they dismiss your feelings. SÂBR is meeting those who deserted you, with a smile on your lips, even though your tears are one step away from exposing you. SÂBR is staying silent because you’ve already stated your point too many times before. SÂBR is conforming to someone’s demand because of their right over you. SÂBR is fulfilling the rights of others even when they transgress against yours. SÂBR is crying about your heartache in front of God and no one else. SÂBR is believing wholeheartedly that God has beautiful things in store for you. SÂBR is crawling forward even when you want to stop. SÂBR is an active state of being, it is not a theory to simply be discussed and forgotten.... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  8. So I took a Ethnicity DNA Test...

    I agree that Punjabi has its roots in Sanskrit and in fact holds more importance over Farsi, but that doesn't mean Farsi should be cast aside. If we cannot agree on the degree of connection between Punjabi and Farsi then a consideration should be made as to where the bar is set for Sikhs in pursuit of it specifically, if not for the writings of Bhai Nand Lal Ji, then at least for Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Zafarnama. On the topic of academic pursuits, an effort should be made without question to acquire good hand knowledge of Sanskrit. It's worth mentioning that Vedic Sanskrit and Old Persian actually share some similarities. Punjabi, aside from having loanwords, also shares the same word order as Farsi - Subject, Object, Verb. Although this could well be a coincidence, I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't. What has given you the impression that anyone in this thread has an inferiority complex? For the majority of us, Punjabi is our maa boli and takes precedence over any other language. The fact that some have a piqued interest in a secondary language which unquestionably has had a significant influence on our mother tongue, whether through conquest or not, does not all of sudden warrant the accusation that one has an inferiority complex. Punjabi has many dialects, some which are more Persianized and some which are more Sanskritized, and even that doesn't determine how Punjabi is spoken - a lot of it is down to personal preference and exposure. I have yet to find someone who speaks Pre-Persian Punjabi or has completely removed any Persian influence. Punjabi during the emergence of Sikhi most likely already had quite a degree of Persian influence, possibly not as much as today, but it still had it nonetheless. It has evolved like most languages and we are talking about the form relative to Punjabis and Sikhs throughout early modern history and current day. My DNA test didn't tell me anything I didn't already know, and had it come back with higher percentage of Indigenous Indian, the topic of Punjabis/Sikhs learning Farsi would still be under discussion and actually already has been. Likewise, the fact that many Punjabis are more ethnically Persian doesn't mean we are denying our actual heritage - Bharati. While I despise the politics of modern day India, the fact remains that Punjab culturally, geographically, linguistically, socially, and religiously was, is, and will always be a part of Bharat despite any land borders past, present, or future, and any political designations. A fact that many Sikhs find bitter, and a fact which if in agreement with, will also surely cause the term 'inferiority complex' to be bandied about. Anyway, it's not as if I've been suggesting we all apply for Iranian Citizenship at the earliest possible chance and start stuffing our faces with kabobs now is it. These days in order to qualify as someone who doesn't have an inferiority complex, you must be a Pro-Khalistani Singh Sabhia who follows Reform 'Sikhism', and believe all Sikhs appeared on earth through immaculate conception and came with their own pure culture and divine language which to this day has been entirely uninfluenced by outside factors. ! پیروزی به هندوستان
  9. Not wise to carry unlicensed fire arms in western non-sikh modern societies even if they are unloaded and just used for ceremonial purposes. Allowing it would mean there would be a free for all by every community wanting to do the same. Have to draw the line somewhere
  10. #freejagginow

    Strange case this. 1) First this juggi guy is involved in the nerverforget84 website raising awareness of the Sikh genocide by the Indians yet goes to india punjab even knowing the type corrupt and brutal undemocratic anti-human rights establishment that still exists there. Why take the risk? 2)The turbanned Sikh MP of slough who is seemingly is seen as a pro-sikh human rights advocate is more concerned about railway than life and treatment of a fellow british Sikh detained by indian authorities. 3) British Sikhs are again doing useless fruitless protests rather than taking lawful direct action or using international human rights and law bodies to detain indian officials / assets until they release the british citizen. So like the british govt detained iranian offcials connected to their regime few years ago so the iranian regime detained the british iranian spy woman working for MI6 naznine. Iranians want their officials released and the £450 million debt uk govt owes to the iranian govt to be paid in full. Similarly Indian officials when visiting the UK should be given a citizens arrest and detained for the crimes of corrupt Indian regime/establishment against Sikhs and other minorities within the Indian union.
  11. The translation by the pretentious "dr sant singh khalsa" is unnecessary. The gora has neither no knowledge nor understanding of Panjabi. He copied the translation of Bhai Manmohan Singh and replaced the archaic terms in it with modern ones with the help of "yogi" bhajan, yet Sikhs worldwide continue to treat it as the correct primary source, when it is false as it is full of misinterpretations and incorrect definitions. We are better off learning the Panjabi translation/steek/teeka before translating to english although a Sikh collective of academics who propose to come together and provide their research from other languages is welcome. There was a link to an organisation just like this on these boards but cannot recall or find the name of it on here. A welcome idea but 'Ang' should replace 'Page' in the search box.
  12. Hair

    Found this on the DDT maryada page: (Kakkars are limbs and in this context Guru Ji is talking about arms (which are limbs) ਇਹੈ ਮੋਰ ਆਗਿਆ ਸੁਨਹੁ ਹੇ ਪਿਆਰੇ ॥ ਬਿਨਾ ਸ਼ਸਤਰ ਕੇਸੰ ਦਿਵੋਂ ਨ ਦਿਦਾਰੇ ॥ "Sri Guru Gobind Singh Jee says, listen to this command oh beloved, This is the essential pre-requisite to attain my darshan. Without arms and kesh I will not give you darshan."
  13. will it also be enhanced later with kindle like hypertext links to mahan kosh punjabi and english? because that would be awesome has the spanish trans been gone over by any samparda scholars ? if not wouldn't it be better to hold off until it has .... same with Sant singh trans it has NEVER been checked as far as I have heard
  14. Some more Home Truths

    Re; the 'Free Jaggi Now' thread on the main page: No, no, no, no my friends. Please do not all be using identical template letters. This is about human emotion, human rights. It's about appealing to the humanity behind the receiver of the letters at the news organisation, MP's office or Foreign Office. It's about showing how a human, who happens to be British born and bred, has been brutalised by an inhuman regime (India). You don't get that point across by sending robotic identical letters to people that receive thousands of computer generated appeals everyday. Don't hand them the opportunity to see this as just another one of those mass letters they get. To appeal to their human side you need to express your own emotions as a human. The next step must be this: Given the truly horrific and disgraceful inaction by the British Embassy in Delhi I suggest we all make Freedom of Information requests to the Foreign Office demanded release of every email and telephone conversation that occurred regarding Jaggi at the Foreign Office and the Embassy. They will refuse this by virtue of Secions 24, 27 and 28 of FOIA 2000. You then lodge an appeal with the ICO and it WILL go to a hearing. They'll never release the transcripts but the whole issue will be heard at a Tribunal and will draw national attention. There's a lot you can do....but robotic template letters is not the way you should go.
  15. Share sakhi's and kirtan.

    VJKK VJKF The josh (energy) is amazing... Wow. VJKK VJKF
  16. Hair

    VJKK VJKF Hope it helps!!!
  17. VJKK VJKF Maybe its a warning because nothing happens out of Guru Ji's hukam. But maybe you are right it doesn't make sense but obviously that's what Vaheguru wanted to happen... VJKK VJKF
  18. VJKK VJKF I am just waiting for me to leave secondary school (I am in Year 9 I have 2 years left) then after that I already told my mum, no matter what I am taking amrit and that she can't stop me. The reason why I am waiting for secondary school to finish is because I won't be able to wear my kirpan etc. I have made a plan to take amrit as soon as I turn 16. I really want to take amrit NOW but my mum said no and trust me I've had A LOT of arguments with my mum about this but I am DEFINETLEY taking amrit. I really want to take amrit now but... I guess its good in a way because I can make my rehat pakki (solid and organised). In the meantime I will just keep practising and show my mum that I have the lacchan (qualities) of an amritdhari. Thanks for that though... I really appreciate it. VJKK VJKF
  19. Sikh orphanges

    Pingalwara (Amritsar) founded by the late Bhagat Puran Singh. Although not just an orphanage but also a shelter for the vulnerable and elderly. Truly amazing place and the story and forward vision of Bhagat Puran Singh is worth reading up on before visiting.
  20. Hair

    Can someone plz quote about keeping 5 kakaars all the time where it’s written by Guru Gobind Sahib ji in Guru Granth Sahib or in Dasam Granth.. I’m asking this bcoz I’m sure it’s been mentioned somewhere in gurbani but I just don’t know where it’s written on which ang.. thanks 🙏🏻
  21. Please have some common sense, Guruji would not 'choke' you and give you an illness because you tweezered your unibrow! I don't think youth /young men and woman comprehend that taking Amrit means giving up worldliness. Guruji says 'Give me your head' - "Sir dheejai". You have to forget about the world, and renounce things like lust, flirting, frivolous socialising etc. You have to have a higher level of thinking and living.
  22. Sikh orphanges

    Barhu sahib take many poor Sikh children and turn them into Gurmukhs.
  23. We are actually working right now on that: New Translations: - Bhai Manmohan Singh - Spanish Translation New Teekae: - FareedKot Teeka - Bhai Manmohan Singh - Giani Harbhans Singh Teeka These will be added in addition to current Dr. Sant Singh Khalsa Translation and Teeka by Prof. Sahib Singh.
  24. ਸਕਾਟਲੈਂਡ ਦੇ ਵਸਨੀਕ ਜਗਤਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੱਗੀ ਨੂੰ ਕੋਰਟ ਵੱਲੋਂ ਅੱਜ ਜੇਲ੍ਹ ਭੇਜਿਆ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਗਿਆ ਹੈ। 30 ਨਵੰਬਰ ਨੂੰ ਅਗਲੀ ਪੇਸ਼ੀ ਹੋਵੇਗੀ । ਸਰਦੀਆਂ ਕਾਰਣ ਲਿਆਂਦੇ ਗਰਮ ਕੱਪੜੇ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਪੁਲਿਸ ਨੇ ਦੇਣ ਤੋਂ ਕੀਤਾ ਇਨਕਾਰ । ਵਕੀਲ ਵੱਲੋਂ ਦਿੱਤੇ ਅਪਣੇ ਸੰਪਰਕ ਕਾਰਡ ਵੀ ਪੁਲਿਸ ਨੇ ਖੋਹ ਲਏ। ਕੋਰਟ ਵੱਲੋਂ ਇਸ ਕੇਸ ਨਾਲ ਸੰਬੰਧਿਤ ਹਰਦੀਪ ਸਿੰਘ ਸ਼ੇਰੇ ਬਾਬਤ ਇਕ ਦਿਨ ਹੋਰ ਪੁਲਿਸ ਰਿਮਾਂਡ ਦੇ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਗਿਆ ਹੈ। Bagha Purana – The local court in Bagha Purana sent Jagtar Singh Johal alias Jaggi to 14 days judicial custody till November 30. READ MORE: http://singhstation.net/2017/11/court-sends-jagtar-singh-johal-judicial-custody-till-30th-nov/
  25. Sikh orphanges

    Do any of you know a list of Sikh orphanages. I would like to go to India to volunteer.
  26. Das before sikhi use to literally hate any kes on the body, tweezing my upper cheeks you name it i did it. Now the kes dont even grow much there its just our veham and wanting to stay pretty forever well you just cant its simple as that. Now i dont even care how i look or what others say to be honest. One thing for sure is following sikhi the amount of respect sikhs and non sikhs give is amazing they want to talk with you for longer being. Otherwise kira koi bhaat pochda people come and go as they please. Follow Gurbani as atal and Hukam as sat. Pritham Rehet khande ki Pahul Vaheguru uplifts you if you follow Gurmat. Everyones gna make mistakes accept them, seek forgiveness and better yourself to being pure. Go forwards dont look back or step backwards Please.
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    It seems like a generic warning by browser to inform you that site isn't using SSL. We will look at implementing SSL and also review the site security. I don't think this particular message is anything to worry about.
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