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43 minutes ago, ipledgeblue said:

Had panth normalised Kaur name for women during Maharaja Ranjit Singh's rule?

The Khalsa Panth had not, the General Sikh/Punjabi community did, sadly the once noble Khalsa titles that were earned have now become a cultural name.  

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3 hours ago, TheeTurbanator said:

Their character already speaks for itself. Maharaja Ranjit “Singh’s” era was so bad for Sikhi that it took the Singh Sabah Movement to stop the corruption, some of which still remains today. That by itself says a lot. 

err singh sabha movement was against the hindu Mahants appointed by Angrez ...try again

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20 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

err singh sabha movement was against the hindu Mahants appointed by Angrez ...try again

You have no idea how much Ranjit “Singh” damaged the Sikh Psyche. He was boarderline ritualistic, and even very superstitious. He got played by the Hindus and even changed the colour of the Khalsa Nishan Sahib from Guru Hargobind’s Basanti to Orange. 

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2 hours ago, TheeTurbanator said:

Their character already speaks for itself. Maharaja Ranjit “Singh’s” era was so bad for Sikhi that it took the Singh Sabah Movement to stop the corruption, some of which still remains today. That by itself says a lot. 

He was superstitious etc, no doubt, and didn't shun any faith. But, that was common for society in general, hell it still is. Punjabis in general are superstitious folks and constantly mix faiths. That's something that can't be pinned all on him. 

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5 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Have you noticed a trend in non-Sikh media to discredit the Khalsa? 

Yeup. Pakistanis especially refer to Sikh rule as "Sikha Shahi" and view it as a very bad rule, its even a derogatory word there.

They inflame stories of Sikhs desecrating mosques and whatnot, which I'm not even sure are truthful. because Maharaja Ranjit Singh ordered a mosque to be built as well. They also really like to praise the Afghan Durranis who taxed, murdered Punjabi Muslims and obviously desecrated Harmandir  Sahib.

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4 hours ago, YOYO29 said:

What a coincident just as there is a discussion going on about Maharani Jind Kaur. Dawn news published an article about her role in the fall of khalsa army.Anyone who is interested can read it here.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1401384/how-a-queen-plotted-the-fall-of-khalsa-army-by-starting-the-first-anglo-sikh-war

This has been happening for decades so it's nothing new.

If poor and surrounded by lies from bigger communities and little access to education, how can people begin to think differently?

Those of us living in the western diaspora have a duty to invest and save younger genrations.

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4 hours ago, TheeTurbanator said:

You have no idea how much Ranjit “Singh” damaged the Sikh Psyche. He was boarderline ritualistic, and even very superstitious. He got played by the Hindus and even changed the colour of the Khalsa Nishan Sahib from Guru Hargobind’s Basanti to Orange. 

yep but even so saying Singh sabha movement was purely about countering Ranjit SIngh's bad decisions is a bit of a stretch . The main problems were :

suspending sarbat khalsa method of getting panthic concensus

giving command of khalsa army to non-sikhs who were purely motivated by personal greed

giving Dogras so many high positions including control of treasury , true to type they showed their true colours as soon as Ranjit singh was on the wane , and started planning with the angrez how to capture the sikh kingdom .

 

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Is it any wonder that Hari Singh Nalwa advised Maharaj Ranjit Singh to pass the Khalsa Raj to the panj pyareh. 

It makes perfect sense.

 

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12 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Have you noticed a trend in non-Sikh media to discredit the Khalsa? 

Spot on!! The way Indian media uses terms such as Sikh terrorists and Sikh militants is very disturbing to say the least.Even though if asked to point out a single terror attack by Sikhs in recent past,an ordinary person would struggle to recall a terror act committed by Sikhs. But still Indian media and even some sections of Canadian media use loaded terms like "Sikh Terror".You Sikhs need to be vigilant and double your efforts to counter such propaganda.

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