Jump to content

Guru Nanak


IronLion
 Share

Recommended Posts

1 hour ago, IronLion said:

Hello,

I was curious if there are any groups of followers of Guru Nanak who do not necessarily follow the teachings of the full Guru lineage. 

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

-I.

1. Well there are people who, in their mind, accept the "peaceful" Guru Nanak ji, but not the "warlike" Guru Gobind Singh ji.

They would mostly describe themselves as Hindus. A lot of them go to gurdwaras in Delhi and Amritsar, and elsewhere. Some don't go to gurdwaras, but simply sometimes turn on the Gurbani channel on TV, and turn on Hindu devotional channels other times.

But there are also other Hindus who respect Guru Gobind Singh ji but don't desire to be "full-time" Sikhs.

2. There are an exceedingly small number of "Sikhs" who think that Guru Nanak Dev ji didn't pass on the Guruship so the other 9 Gurus are illegitimate (and by extension so is Guru Granth Sahib ji). These people are out of their minds.

3. There are the Sindhis, who were Hindus from the Sindh region now in Pakistan who were taught love of Guru Nanak ji and Gurbani by Sikh saints and preachers. They install and read Guru Granth Sahib ji but don't take Khanda Amrit or keep hair. Interestingly, LK Advani, former Indian BJP party #2, is a Sindhi.

4. Then there are "Sikh" splinter groups who depart from the Guru line when their own particular guru went off in a huff and a puff from the main Guru line. 

For example, the Meenas accepted the Guru line up to the 4th Guru Ramdas ji, but accepted their own Pirthi Chand in place of Guru Arjan Dev ji.

Similarly, the Ram Raiyas (followers of Ram Rai) accepted the Guru line upto the 7th Guru, but don't accept from the 8th forward.

Also, the followers of Sural Mal, who mounted an attack on Guru Teg Bahadur ji (9th Guru).

And the Naamdharis don't accept Guru Granth Sahib as Guru.

 

Sikhs believe that the jot (spirit) of all the 10 Gurus (and Guru Granth Sahib ji) is one.

About the unity of the Gurus, Guru Gobind Singh ji wrote that the saints know the Gurus are one, and the fools do not:

 

ਅਮਰ ਦਾਸ ਰਾਮਦਾਸ ਕਹਾਯੋ ॥

Amar Daasa Raamdaasa Kahaayo ॥

ਸਾਧਨ ਲਖਾ ਮੂੜ ਨਹਿ ਪਾਯੋ ॥੯॥

Saadhan Lakhaa Moorha Nahi Paayo ॥9॥

Amar Das was called Ram Das, only the saints know it and the fools did not.9.

ਭਿੰਨ ਭਿੰਨ ਸਭਹੂੰ ਕਰਿ ਜਾਨਾ ॥

Bhiaann Bhiaann Sabhahooaan Kari Jaanaa ॥

ਏਕ ਰੂਪ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਪਹਿਚਾਨਾ ॥

Eeka Roop Kinhooaan Pahichaanaa ॥

The people on the whole considered them as separate ones, but there were few who recognized them as one and the same.

ਜਿਨ ਜਾਨਾ ਤਿਨ ਹੀ ਸਿਧਿ ਪਾਈ ॥

Jin Jaanaa Tin Hee Sidhi Paaeee ॥


ਬਿਨੁ ਸਮਝੇ ਸਿਧਿ ਹਾਥਿ ਨ ਆਈ ॥੧੦॥

Binu Samajhe Sidhi Haathi Na Aaeee ॥10॥

Those who recognized them as One, they were successful on the spiritual plane. Without recognition there was no spiritual success.10.

ਬਚਿਤ੍ਰ ਨਾਟਕ ਅ. ੫ - ੧੦/(੪) - ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
 Share

  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt


  • Topics

  • Posts

    • yeh it's true, we shouldn't be lazy and need to learn jhatka shikaar. It doesn't help some of grew up in surrounding areas like Slough and Southall where everyone thought it was super bad for amrit dharis to eat meat, and they were following Sant babas and jathas, and instead the Singhs should have been normalising jhatka just like the recent world war soldiers did. We are trying to rectifiy this and khalsa should learn jhatka.  But I am just writing about bhog for those that are still learning rehit. As I explained, there are all these negative influences in the panth that talk against rehit, but this shouldn't deter us from taking khanda pahul, no matter what level of rehit we are!
    • How is it going to help? The link is of a Sikh hunter. Fine, but what good does that do the lazy Sikh who ate khulla maas in a restaurant? By the way, for the OP, yes, it's against rehit to eat khulla maas.
    • Yeah, Sikhs should do bhog of food they eat. But the point of bhog is to only do bhog of food which is fit to be presented to Maharaj. It's not maryada to do bhog of khulla maas and pretend it's OK to eat. It's not. Come on, bro, you should know better than to bring this Sakhi into it. Is this Sikh in the restaurant accompanied by Guru Gobind Singh ji? Is he fighting a dharam yudh? Or is he merely filling his belly with the nearest restaurant?  Please don't make a mockery of our puratan Singhs' sacrifices by comparing them to lazy Sikhs who eat khulla maas.
    • Seriously?? The Dhadi is trying to be cute. For those who didn't get it, he said: "Some say Maharaj killed bakras (goats). Some say he cut the heads of the Panj Piyaras. The truth is that they weren't goats. It was she-goats (ਬਕਰੀਆਂ). He jhatka'd she-goats. Not he-goats." Wow. This is possibly the stupidest thing I've ever heard in relation to Sikhi.
    • Instead of a 9 inch or larger kirpan, take a smaller kirpan and put it (without gatra) inside your smaller turban and tie the turban tightly. This keeps a kirpan on your person without interfering with the massage or alarming the masseuse. I'm not talking about a trinket but rather an actual small kirpan that fits in a sheath (you'll have to search to find one). As for ahem, "problems", you could get a male masseuse. I don't know where you are, but in most places there are professional masseuses who actually know what they are doing and can really relieve your muscle pains.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Terms of Use