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Punjabiyat - An issue for Sikhs

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9 hours ago, CHaamCHrick said:

Ah, yes, very 'familial' indeed.

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16 hours ago, TejS said:

And I think a reason only Sikh people do it is because of the boastful nature of Punjabi culture, which our Muslim and Hindu counterparts have shed. Sikhi itself banishes any sort of egotistical behavior.

You're exactly right, we have these false narratives spread among the community of conquering Afghanistan, and defeating the Mughal Empire single handedly when none of this is true. And it seems like we're trying to make up for something, when the fact is that what our ancestors accomplished was more than enough given their population size.

I fully agree that we need to stop fighting other people's wars and get into fields that can lead to power, and finance is key to that.

We might be boastful simply due to the fact that we have always punched above our weight. The Sikh Empire was a great achievement and in all of the land that was ruled Sikhs must have been a total of 10% or less of the population but that was a long time ago and the empire itself didn't even last 100 years.

One of the biggest false narratives we spread is that Sikhs saved Hinduism from extinction. It makes me feel embarrassed as a Sikh when we say dumb things like that, it makes us look like a bunch of illiterate fools.

I don't think the boastfulness is a result of Punjabi mentality. It is due to Sikhism, even though Sikhism says not to have an ego. Hindus have India where they are the majority and Muslims have Pakistan and Bangladesh, we just have one state in India where we are a slight majority. We are always boasting because we want approval from the majority community. That is the main reason. 

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On 4/11/2018 at 7:27 PM, TejS said:

You're exactly right, we have these false narratives spread among the community of conquering Afghanistan, and defeating the Mughal Empire single handedly when none of this is true. And it seems like we're trying to make up for something, when the fact is that what our ancestors accomplished was more than enough given their population size.

The first step: Ban, Stop all those "kathavachaks", "gyanis" and so-called "dharmik" singers (who once every 5 years remember to release a religious song, while all the time they were singing about how horny they are after getting drunk and how the hip of a girl gives them heart-attacks), who say bull5hit like Guru Granth Sahib being in NASA, Obama having portrait of Guru Gobind Singh ji etc. What we need is Good Gyanis fluent in Gurbani and Sikh History, who will preach REAL Itihaas from REAL Sources, and not stuff they heard from their patron Baba or from missionary pages on Facebook.

 Sikhs under Banda Singh were a major reason for the downfall of the Mughal Empire (They almost took Delhi, and no one talks about it). From a band of a couple thousand jungle hermits-on horseback, to rulers of a powerful empire in Northern India, with one of the best armies in Asia- That was a remarkable achievement. The united front of the Misls was able to drive back Timur Khan's professional Afghan army, and thus saving the Indian subcontinent, from yet another bloody carnage accompanied with loot and rape

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On 08/04/2018 at 3:05 AM, TejS said:

Having watched the BBC report on alcohol being an issue in the UK Punjabi community, I came to a realization that Sikhs value Punjabiyat (Punjabi-ness) over their Hindu and Muslim counterparts and are for that reason suffering. Muslim Punjabi were willing to separate their state, their language and culture for their religion and did so. The Hindu Punjabis as well have distanced themselves from Punjabiyat, evidenced through their speaking of Hindi. Now Punjabiyat has its goods and bads, however as a whole, the culture is extremely destructive. And I think it was for a reason that Guru Nanak was born in a Punjabi community and not any other Indian community, as the culture needed saving, and Sikhi was just that. To be very honest, Punjabiyat and Sikhi are polar opposites. And unfortunately most "Sikhs" follow Punjabiyat over Sikhi. This is our fault.

The ethnic identity of Punjab is actually quite recent, having only emerged fully in the 10th century. It was essentially a mixture of Jats, Khatris, Rajputs, Tarkhans, Brahmins, Sindhis, and Dalits that formed a new identity on the basis of language, and now ethnic. Before this, Punjab was home to Vedic teachings and essentially was a small cog in the mega-Vedic machine which encompassed Sapta Sindhu (NW India + Pakistan + Eastern Afghanistan). It's only a few hundred years older than our Sikh identity, and unlike the Sikh identity it was never truly defined up until recently.

In fact, taking a look at the history of the Punjab region (when it was called Punjab and before that), there's not much to be proud of in fact. Yes, it was home to the oldest university of the world, Takshashila, a institution for Vedic teachings, however other than that, it was mostly defeat after defeat by invaders and cowardice until Sikhi. The first time after thousands of years of foreign rule, indigenous rule in Punjab was established only by Sikhs. 

What I'm trying to convey here is that as Sikhs, we need to learn from our fellow Muslim and Hindu counterparts and ease up on the Punjabi identity, and stress more importance on Sikhi. I'm not saying stop speaking Punjabi and whatnot, however get rid of the customs, which are mostly destructive, such as alcohol consumption.

Yes our lot focus to much on being punjabi. Like we own the identity. Its not like we were the original punjabis. 

But we do put the p into punjabi as we dominate. through our culrure of music, dance and heritage. 

I would rather be known as a punjabi then a indian. 

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15 hours ago, Big_Tera said:

Yes our lot focus to much on being punjabi. Like we own the identity. Its not like we were the original punjabis. 

But we do put the p into punjabi as we dominate. through our culrure of music, dance and heritage. 

I would rather be known as a punjabi then a indian. 

We do pretty much own Punjabi identity these days. We are the only group that care about the language and are interested in its survival, most Punjabi singers are Sikh. This is so much so that even a lot of Sikhs don't know that there are Punjabi Hindus and Muslims, a lot of Indians outside of Punjab assume that Punjab is a 100% Sikh state, that is how much Punjabiyat is attached to Sikhism.

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