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21 hours ago, DayaKaur said:

Has guru nanak dev and guru gobind singh ji said that I am sikh, is it written in any gurbani in sri guru granth sahib ji? Has guru nanak dev ji and guru gobind singh ji said ever that I belong only to the Sikhs or I am only the guru of the Sikhs? any answer according to the gurbani? 

Guru ji says they are the khalsa and apart of it. While guru ji can be guru of the whole world that does not mean everyone is a sikh. If Ram Rahim claims to be guru of world does not make him your guru right? You can only adopt someone as guru if you live life as they have said in texts. Guru ji clearly gives gaddi to SGGSG according to many sources not believing it and making random fairytales of guru ji living 100? and whatever year is wrong.

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13 hours ago, monatosingh said:

I do aarti aarta standing up with thaals, infront of my shastar prakash, and so do lots of other Nihangs. It was puratan rehat until the British attempted to change everything (which they did). (Hence why they teach colonial Sikhism at school).

You and other nihang says might do a lot of stuff but does not mean its right. Guru ji criticized these empty rituals and told us to focus on the self and shabad itself. To do kirtan of the shabad not use them to do some hindu rituals. This is not the puratan rehat it is the corrupted rehat by Brahminical influences in the panth which have been there way before the british.

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1 hour ago, SuchaSoorma said:

You and other nihang says might do a lot of stuff but does not mean its right. Guru ji criticized these empty rituals and told us to focus on the self and shabad itself. To do kirtan of the shabad not use them to do some hindu rituals. This is not the puratan rehat it is the corrupted rehat by Brahminical influences in the panth which have been there way before the british.

You link to puratan rehat a lot, but have you actually attempted to look at them?

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3 hours ago, SuchaSoorma said:

Sikh is someone who follows the teaching of the 10 gurus.A hindu is people who believe in devtaey, aartis, etc. No the hazur sahib people won't be sikhs. they have gone so far from true sikhi that they are basically hindus. they rely on these karam kand elements of religion. They have gone away from the true message and root of sikhi. Gurus put coins and coconut I didn't say that was wrong. You can doubt what the gurus did, you can't compare them to regular sikhs. The gurus also never did any aarti standing up. Guru Ji set the aarti to be sung in kirtan form like how other shabad are sung (i.e on a stage).

how sure are you about your claims? do you have any historical source to back-up your claims?

 

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On 8 April 2018 at 9:19 AM, SuchaSoorma said:

You and other nihang says might do a lot of stuff but does not mean its right. Guru ji criticized these empty rituals and told us to focus on the self and shabad itself. To do kirtan of the shabad not use them to do some hindu rituals. This is not the puratan rehat it is the corrupted rehat by Brahminical influences in the panth which have been there way before the british.

If you don't believe it, then good for you. Why are you forcing your personal beliefs upon someone else? Guru Ji said a lot of other things too, about nimarta, seeing Vaheguru in others but we forget that and we want to discuss pointless things about whether to do aarti aarta with a thaal or not, its all about vishvaas and pyaar at the end of the day and not about being against hindus and nihangs. I don't understand whats so bad about doing aarti aarta with a thaal, clearly @monatosingh is not doing a puja at a mandir and even if he was (sorry veerji :grin ) how would it affect you? We need to cleanse our inside and have that pyaar for each other first as a family and change ourselves then we should criticise others. Who are we to criticise and speak manda about someone. Only Guru Ji has the authority to judge us. We really need to better ourselves as a kaum... smh

I'm sure that we can't change others actions but we can change our own. Cleansing ourselves fom the outside is so easy but when we try cleansing ourselves from the inside we truly struggle. If we can't accept others then we should go about it another way. Theres always 2 ways of doing things, the way that will land you with good consequences and the other way which will land you with bad consequences. Its up to us which path we choose to take. We can choose to see ourselves as lowly and pray to Vaheguru that: Ehnu sumat bakhsho Ji or we can choose to get into pointless arguements with that person. Its all about pyaar, if you explain to someone with kindness and respect why you think somethings wrong they will listen, if you start having a go at someone because of what they believe in they will have a go back at you. 

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On 4/7/2018 at 6:24 PM, BhForce said:

In order to have a conversation, can you state whether you are a Namdhari, and if so, to which group do you belong?

Namdharis are belongs to 10 gurus satguru Nanak dev ji and satguru gobind singh ji.

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On 4/8/2018 at 1:41 PM, SuchaSoorma said:

Sikh is someone who follows the teaching of the 10 gurus.A hindu is people who believe in devtaey, aartis, etc. No the hazur sahib people won't be sikhs. they have gone so far from true sikhi that they are basically hindus. they rely on these karam kand elements of religion. They have gone away from the true message and root of sikhi. Gurus put coins and coconut I didn't say that was wrong. You can doubt what the gurus did, you can't compare them to regular sikhs. The gurus also never did any aarti standing up. Guru Ji set the aarti to be sung in kirtan form like how other shabad are sung (i.e on a stage).

You have written that hajur sahib people were doing arti are not Sikhs. Who has given you this authority tell others, do you have any certificate from guru ji say that they are not Sikhs? Who you are ? How can you say people doing arti are not Sikhs. Has it written by guru ji in Sri gruru granth sahib that the people who perform arti are not sikhs ? If it is there please show us.

 

Your are saying that person who is obeying teaching of 10 guru he is only Sikh. Are you sikh ? how many teaching  of 10 gurus you obey ? sri guru granth sahib ji has banis of 6 gurus what about other 4 gurus what are the their teachings ? is it written there by 7th guru by 8th guru ? any teaching written by themselves there? And please tell how many person like you are obeying 100% teaching there are 2 types of teaching which teaching you are saying 1 type of teaching is in guru granth sahib ji and bhai gurdass ji and 2nd is in rehtnama

 

 

Are you a sikh? Do you obey teaching of 10 gurus ? which thing do you obey ? in sri guru granth sahib ji it is written to see others virtues not others bad things what you are doing ? are you obeying guru jis teaching are you a sikh ?

 

Why you can not see that it was only namdharis who have tried to unite the whole panth no one has tried this step.

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3 hours ago, Guest Kaur 2 said:

clearly @monatosingh is not doing a puja at a mandir and even if he was (sorry veerji :grin ) how would it affect you?

Lol I used to before I got into Sikhi, went to the mandir with my mum and brother and got my mum to pick me up so I can ring the bell.

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4 hours ago, DayaKaur said:
On 4/7/2018 at 6:24 PM, BhForce said:

In order to have a conversation, can you state whether you are a Namdhari, and if so, to which group do you belong?

Namdharis are belongs to 10 gurus satguru Nanak dev ji and satguru gobind singh ji.

And ... you failed to answer the question.

Again, I ask are you a Namdhari, and if so to which group do you belong?

Your statement to Namdharis belonging to 10 gurus is immaterial to the question.

And if you are a Namdhari, why are you afraid to say so?

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3 hours ago, monatosingh said:

Lol I used to before I got into Sikhi, went to the mandir with my mum and brother and got my mum to pick me up so I can ring the bell.

Same actually, but now I look back and think what the hell was all that? :rofl 

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On 10/04/2018 at 2:25 PM, Guest Kaur 2 said:

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Same actually, but now I look back and think what the hell was all that? :rofl 

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To be honest it was quite fascinating for me, although idol worship is not allowed for us but it still had a calm environment and it was nice learning about how other faiths worship.

I could swear that one of the women that went there now attend my local Gurdwara...

(Why did I only receive a notification about this now..)

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On 13 April 2018 at 9:39 AM, monatosingh said:

To be honest it was quite fascinating for me, although idol worship is not allowed for us but it still had a calm environment and it was nice learning about how other faiths worship.

I could swear that one of the women that went there now attend my local Gurdwara...

(Why did I only receive a notification about this now..)

Yes so did I as well and I still love learning about different religions now too, but back then there was just something fun about throwing petals on a statue. 

PS: No offence to any hindus I respect your religion. 

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