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How Well As Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji been preserved since 1708?

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On 2018-04-03 at 9:11 PM, TheeTurbanator said:

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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh! 

However, there have been numerous controversies over the validity of certain passages (you all know what im talking about). 

 

What are you talking about. What certain passages are there controversies on?  Provide facts.  No drama please.  

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7 hours ago, BhForce said:

There are no major differences

We can never be certain because the original Saroop that was verrefied by the Guru was lost, and even the Saroops that are attributed to Baba Deep Singh are said to have differences. 

Im surprised how the Panth lost the original Saroop only 100-200 years after its creation. For a Dharam that often times prides itself on how it’s founder wrote its central text, we have done a horrible job, and the enemies of the Panth will exploit this (anti Sikh, Muslim site even talks about this). 

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4 hours ago, Akalifauj said:

What are you talking about. What certain passages are there controversies on?  Provide facts.  No drama please

Raag Mala is a major one, there are also controversies some people (a minority) bring up regarding Bhagat Bani’s 

PS: Before anyone strawman’s me again I just wanna state that I believe In Bhagat Banis and Dasam Granth 

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1 hour ago, TheeTurbanator said:

We can never be certain because the original Saroop that was verrefied by the Guru was lost, and even the Saroops that are attributed to Baba Deep Singh are said to have differences. 

Well, the only difference between the Damdami saroop and the original (Aad) granth was the addition of Guru Tegh Bahadur ji's bani, meaning a difference of only 1.95%.

We're not talking about the difference between a originally it was a granth praising Jehovah and stories of the prophets and now we've got a granth (Guru Granth Sahib) praising the all-pervading God and having hymns, not stories.

The fact is Guru Tegh Bahadur ji's bani is basically giving the same message as the Aad Granth, with some differences in style and focus. It is not a radically different message.

So, what's the worry?

1 hour ago, TheeTurbanator said:

Im surprised how the Panth lost the original Saroop only 100-200 years after its creation. For a Dharam that often times prides itself on how it’s founder wrote its central text, we have done a horrible job, and the enemies of the Panth will exploit this (anti Sikh, Muslim site even talks about this). 

Well, isn't it just cute that the Muslims are talking about us not having the Damdami saroop, since its because the jihadis that we lost it in the first place!  It's like killing somebody's dad and then taunting him for being an orphan.

Also, it is thought that the saroop given Gurgaddi is a different one from the one created at Damdama. So there's that.

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In the olden days all the saroops were handwritten and it was a difficult job. Nowadays the saroops are printed.

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2 hours ago, monatosingh said:

I wonder who prints the saroops of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji nowadays, and how is Guru Ji transported from country to country?

They are printed by the SGPC. And transported from country to country either by charter plane or by specialized bus created by the SGPC.

The detestable publisher Chattar Singh Jivan Singh also publishes copies. I would advise any believing Sikh never to obtain a sarup from them.

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On 2018-04-13 at 12:02 AM, TheeTurbanator said:

Raag Mala is a major one, there are also controversies some people (a minority) bring up regarding Bhagat Bani’s 

PS: Before anyone strawman’s me again I just wanna state that I believe In Bhagat Banis and Dasam Granth 

Bhagat Bani has never been questioned by Gursikhs. There is one guy who doubted Bhagat Bani without any merit and got kicked out of the Khalsa Panth.  None of your statements have merit. No statement will ever have merit to doubt bhagat Bani.  

Raag mala, is on the very last Ang of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji.  It tells us about the raags.  There are 1429 angs and you go to the last ang to try and make a point.  Why not just pick the last Gurmukhi letter and maybe someone will believe you have a point.  

Face it.  You have no merit and now are regretting even starting this topic. Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is the perfect Guru. The saroops written by Baba Deep Singh are perfect and Khalsa Panth has the saroops.

If you truly had the humility to look into this topic.  You would have gone to Damdami Taksal and asked those who contemplate and teach Gurbani as their breath of life.  

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@Akalifauj I recommend you re-read SinghFauja's post again.

 

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On 4/13/2018 at 1:58 AM, TheeTurbanator said:

Im surprised how the Panth lost the original Saroop only 100-200 years after its creation. For a Dharam that often times prides itself on how it’s founder wrote its central text, we have done a horrible job, and the enemies of the Panth will exploit this (anti Sikh, Muslim site even talks about this). 

The Muslims, especially, are in no place to be critiquing the authenticity of our texts, considering their text wasn't even finalized 200 years after the death of Mo. Not to mention the removal of of verses that were once said to be a part of the text, and multiple versions varying to significant degree.

The Panth was under constant attack since the beginning and I can only imagine how difficult it would have been to not only defend your own life, however Sikhi as well.

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On 4/4/2018 at 4:11 PM, TheeTurbanator said:

WARNING: IF YOU ARE GOING TO COMMENT ON MY POSTS, PLEASE BE MATURE AND ONLY USE FACTS, NO DRAMA PLEASE

 

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh! 

Sikhs often love to claim that their "holy book" (Ignore the Abrehamic context) was written and sealed by its founders, and Sikhs still use the same version to this day. However, there have been numerous controversies over the validity of certain passages (you all know what im talking about). 

Since the original Saroop of the Guru that was written by Bhai Mani Singh Ji and overlooked by Guru Gobind Singh Ji at damdama sahib in 1708 has been lost, and numerious others were destroyed as recently as in 1984 by the Indian Government (they still refuse to give some back), how will have Sikhs preserved the Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji? 

http://vidhia.com/Professor Sahib Singh/About_The_Compilation_of_Sri_Guru_Granth_Sahib_Ji_(English)_-_Prof_Sahib_Singh.pdf

The Damdami Bir, according to recent research, is thought to be housed with the Hazuri Sikhs. This book, however, should answer some of your queries. 

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8 hours ago, 13Mirch said:

The Damdami Bir, according to recent research, is thought to be housed with the Hazuri Sikhs

If this is true, then what’s stopping the Hazuri Sikhs from sharing it with the world like Gurbani is meant to be? 

If we truly do have the Damdami Bir, then we would not have any controvercies like we do today. 

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2 hours ago, TheeTurbanator said:

If this is true, then what’s stopping the Hazuri Sikhs from sharing it with the world like Gurbani is meant to be? 

If we truly do have the Damdami Bir, then we would not have any controvercies like we do today. 

Exactly, there would have been no controversy over Manglacharans being on top or bottom, over missing or added lagamatras, and other human mistakes introduced by Saroop copiers over the centuries.

There have been many people who have claimed to have the Damdami Birh, but most of them were never verified and are fake claims.

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5 hours ago, TheeTurbanator said:

If this is true, then what’s stopping the Hazuri Sikhs from sharing it with the world like Gurbani is meant to be? 

If we truly do have the Damdami Bir, then we would not have any controvercies like we do today. 

"Is thought" being paramount here and "not is."

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I'm surprised to learn there are differences in Bani. If Ram rai can be excommunicated for changing the meaning of a verse (to please the emporer), then it should be impossible for a Sikh to change the words or spellings of Bani. Apart from layout differences (which would occur due to variations in handwriting style and page size), the Bani should be identical in all versions. To allow variations can lead to questioning the authenticity and hence validity of Bani. 

 

Yes it can lead to attacks from without by muslims and others looking to destroy Sikhs faith in Bani, but it can also lead to disruption from within. 

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