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1. Political trap was set by influenced by ujjal dosanjh, tarak fatah -(his daughter -works for cbc close with terry) terry meliswky to cbc terry meliwski to get questioning on Oct for jagmeet singh, very first interview- 126 k views- He failed miserably on his first day. It was fair line of questioning tbh despite of the backdrop influence as he is "NDP LEADER" and his past sikh activisim- canadians ought to know.  He took the bait screwed up- it wasn't catch 22 suitation either. He should have said based on the inquiry and canadian judicial system - i condemn posters, and presented facts hardly any gurdwara has his poster along with that in the same breath he could have mentioned 1984 sikh genocide with saying- Hey terry since you asking me about this based on my past activism, i planned to have motion in future for 1984 sikh genocide, that would have burned their tragedy and blew up with plan on their face. Turned tricky interview into rightful condemnation and pro sikh stance- 1984 sikh genocide.  Instead this is bad optics all around.

To be fair -terry in this interview whilst having bit of condescending tone was fair asking him those questions at the end due to past singhs activism history, if that question was addressed to bains, harjit sajjan. I would have said it would have been racist but knowning singh activism in the past it was fair line of questioning which jagmeet singh himself admits last week-fair questions

 

2. Recent statements and video interview by jagmeet singh were spot on. I just really wished he would have done that sooner in the first interview and not fallen to the trap.

3. He has to be impartial as he representing all canadians not just sikhs. i am hoping he comes with more serious condemnation comes up with  pr un harmful statement like- Fanaticism is global problem, no religion or groups are immune to it. I condemn all of them. If he doesn't media will go on witch haunt against him goin on and on. Conservative media will play with swing voters (liberal and ndp) underlining fears. If his plan is to grab swing voters from liberal back into ndp he has to do better job. I would advise him to get more swing votes from conservatives than liberals

4. He is yet to come up with actual framework platform of ndp for next election, so he should concentrate on that rather than too much on 1984 sikh genocide at this time, correct timing would be later this year  when genocide occured in india where liberals will be compelled also to vote that motion as it may swing voters at this time liberals communication -gerald butts want nothing to do with more sikh controversy due to absolute pr/bad optics failed trip in india. Prior to that he should introduce another motion in june to honor victims of AIR INDIA BOMBING -worst canadian terrorist incident in canadian history- where 325 innocent lives were killed including 92 sikhs on that plane and condemn parmar more and more and more.

5. He needs to keep draw parallelism of sikh genocide with first nation genocide. People will understand more.

6. He needs to captalize idea of sikh seperatism with quebec seperatism, he will gain votes in quebec which he has already done.

7. Stop hanging around too much with jus reign, gangster videos.

8. Absolutely capitalize on sikh parade idea in khalsa parade, nagar kirtan should give him limitless time for path of peace and reconciliation message (with back drop malcom x-sant bhindranwale-che guevera picture) he genuinely beleives in peace between hindu and sikhs-bring hindu ndp supporters with him  thats the only he can neutralize the bad pr disaster he is recovering. THIS IS GOLDEN CHANCE FOR JAGMEET SINGH TO COUNTER MOVE AGAINST GOI PLAN TO DIVIDE POLARIZE HINDU VOTES and minority INTO CONSERVATIVES.

9. His focus should be gaining hindu votes, jewish votes, not just dividing sikh votes from liberal. He needs to show his representing all canadians and minorities. He should totally endorse tamils, jewish, as they have been through same genocide as us. Endorse conservatives motion of israel as state.

10. He could never a PM in this country after massive misteps in political world-optics/perception is everything there is no recovery from this, faster he realize this harsh truth -better it is for him. In the back of his head-he should aim for offical ndp opposition in house of commons and not to sway votes from liberals but conservatives.

At the end, sikhs have choice  10 sikh mps and -5 high sikh positions ministers - including harjit sajjan sikh defense minister of canada with trudeau with balleh balleh picture below or him. Be realistic - just get him in house of commons as  opposition in by election dont vote for him at the election day at the expense of liberals loosing big time and conservatives winning majority.

 

 

 

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53 minutes ago, N30S1NGH said:

1. Political trap was set by influenced by ujjal dosanjh, tarak fatah -(his daughter -works for cbc close with terry) terry meliswky to cbc terry meliwski to get questioning on Oct for jagmeet singh,

Very interesting, it makes sense that this group of devils conspired to set Jagmeet Singh up.

As regards the arrogant British-born twit Terry Milewski, his origin is Polish. As everyone knows, Hitler wanted to genocide the Poles, and take over their territory for Germans.

Jagmeet Singh (or other Sikhs) should ask that fool: "Would you kill Hitler if you had a chance and if not killing him meant the genocide of the Polish people, including your parents?"

Flip the tables on him. Make it personal, make it visceral. Put him in a lose-lose situation.

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55 minutes ago, BhForce said:

Very interesting, it makes sense that this group of devils conspired to set Jagmeet Singh up.

As regards the arrogant British-born twit Terry Milewski, his origin is Polish. As everyone knows, Hitler wanted to genocide the Poles, and take over their territory for Germans.

Jagmeet Singh (or other Sikhs) should ask that fool: "Would you kill Hitler if you had a chance and if not killing him meant the genocide of the Polish people, including your parents?"

Flip the tables on him. Make it personal, make it visceral. Put him in a lose-lose situation.

I've been watching terry debate with world sikh organization and sunny hundal. He is been refuted many times. This guy over fixtation with sikhs fueled by ujjal dosanjh is quite worrisome but hope cbc obdusman can see- terry personal issues with us. Hardly impartial.

i prefer neil macdonald over terry. His recent article was bit biased but shed some jaw dropping revelations and reconfirming our suspicion that all sikhs been saying all long, he is bit vulgar but surely he spilled lot of beans recently-

http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/jaspal-atwal-1.4563222

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Why wasn't Jaspal Atwal on Canada's no-fly list?: Neil Macdonald

It is unlikely that any effort was made to vet Atwal's name with CSIS

By Neil Macdonald, CBC News Posted: Mar 06, 2018 4:00 AM ET Last Updated: Mar 06, 2018 4:00 AM ET

Justin Trudeau's Minister of Infrastructure and Communities Amarjeet Sohi pictured with Jaspal Atwal in Mumbai Feb. 20.

Justin Trudeau's Minister of Infrastructure and Communities Amarjeet Sohi pictured with Jaspal Atwal in Mumbai Feb. 20. (Name withheld by request)

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Neil Macdonald is an opinion columnist for CBC News, based in Ottawa. Prior to that he was the CBC's Washington correspondent for 12 years, and before that he spent five years reporting from the Middle East. He also had a previous career in newspapers, and speaks English and French fluently, and some Arabic.

 

Never mind the matter of why the failed assassin Jaspal Atwal would be invited to any sort of diplomatic reception, let alone one starring Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his wife. Political parties can be venal and willfully blind to ugly realities in pursuit of votes, and that should be no surprise.

The better question is this: how in heaven's name was that man allowed to set foot on a passenger aircraft, in an age of no-fly lists so strict that babies with names similar to violent extremists are denied boarding?

The answer is that Jaspal Atwal is not on the list, and almost certainly never was, despite the fact that by any of the definitions law enforcement uses to define a terrorist, Jaspal Atwal is a terrorist. And not an aspirational one, either, like some of the clumsy fools who have been reeled in over the years by overweening government stings.  

No, Jaspal Atwal belonged to a cohort of Sikh extremists who, from their base in Canada, fought a violent war against the government of India in the '80s. Their hatred may very well have been justified – the Indian government was as ruthlessly vicious as they were.

Air India bombing

But the facts are not arguable: Atwal's fellow travellers bombed a jumbo jet, killing 329 innocent souls, over the North Atlantic in 1985. And they narrowly failed to bring down a second airliner, which instead exploded on the tarmac at Tokyo's main airport, killing two baggage handlers.

Atwal himself tried his very best a year later to murder a high official of the Indian government on Canadian soil. He failed only because his target, Malkiat Singh Sidhu, managed to feign death, despite the two bullets Atwal and his confederates had already fired into his body. (Five years later, other Sikh extremists finished the job for Atwal, murdering Sidhu near his home in Moga).

In any case, in their day, Atwal and his ideological colleagues were in the same league as, and in fact even more deadly than other far more famous groups: the Baader-Meinhof gang, the Shining Path, Black September, the IRA, the Red Army Faction.

Certainly, they were a far more lethal threat than the disturbed homeless man who shot a reserve soldier in the name of Allah in Ottawa nearly four years ago, and was subsequently shot dead himself in the Parliament buildings, providing hawks with justification for a controversial new anti-terrorist law.

Sikh extremists were a closed, fanatical bunch, and virtually impossible to penetrate, as Canada's nascent intelligence service learned. They were CSIS's first and greatest failure; Canada's international shame, a former CSIS chieftain called them.

And yet there was Atwal, posing with a beaming Sophie Grégoire Trudeau, at a Canadian diplomatic reception in India last month, having boarded a plane and flown to India a few days earlier.

Sophie Trudeau, Jaspal Atwal

Sophie Trudeau and Jaspal Atwal pictured at a film industry influencers event with Indian film stars in Mumbai Feb. 20. (Name withheld by request)

The explanation for the invitation is pretty obvious: Atwal, since his release from prison decades ago, has remained active in Sikh politics, and became prominent in the apparatus of the Liberal Party of Canada, which depends heavily on the Sikh vote. Atwal was in fact invited to the reception by a Sikh Liberal MP, and he has been posing for photos with Liberals, federal and provincial, for years.

It is unlikely that any effort was made to vet Atwal's name with CSIS. His name is in the CSIS system, and would have been instantly flagged.

But the explanation for his ability to get on a flight to India is far more interesting. In search of that answer, I spoke recently to four former Canadian intelligence officers from the era of the Sikh wars. All, as you'd expect, were disgusted at the photo of Atwal in India. Three of them once had roles overseeing Canada's no-fly list.

The list, they say, is exceedingly short, at least compared to the American list. It is curated by Transport Canada, with input from CSIS and the RCMP, and it remains secret. In order to be placed on it, said one ex-spy, authorities have to make the case to a multi-departmental committee that the individual poses a threat to aviation — a bar one of the agents who participated in the committee meetings felt was far too high. Often, he said, CSIS would come away frustrated in its efforts to have an individual placed on the list.

And especially since 9/11, the focus of the list, and of our intelligence agencies, has been just about exclusively on Islamic jihadists. Its greatest recent growth has been fed by names of Canadians who have flown off to fight in Syria.

Canada's spies are bound tightly to their American counterparts, and respond to American priorities, and, says one of the ex-agents I spoke to, the Americans never really cared about Sikh extremists. As far as they were concerned, the Sikhs were just killing each other, which was fine with them.

(It should be noted here that of the 329 killed in the Air India bombing, the vast majority carried Canadian passports. None was an American citizen).

All four of the former intelligence officers I spoke with reckoned that Atwal cannot possibly be on the American no-fly list either, because Canadian carriers are extremely skittish about boarding anyone on that list, even on a flight not flying into American airspace.

Let's go beyond Atwal, though. Here is another excellent question: What about Inderjit Singh Reyat, who served time in prison for actually building the bomb that brought down Air India Flight 182 in 1985, and who is now free on parole? Is he on our no-fly list?

Or Ajaib Singh Bagri? Or Ripudaman Singh Malik? Both those men were early, prominent members of Babbar Khalsa, the group that hatched the airliner bombings, and while they were acquitted in court of conspiracy and murder, any ISIS- or al-Qaeda-style jihadi with their credentials would likely never fly again. Are they on the Canadian list?

It is worth considering that Sikh extremist groups – Babbar Khalsa, or the International Sikh Youth Federation, to which Atwal belonged – have more in common with the IRA, or the FLQ in Quebec, than with, say, ISIS.

Like the IRA, the Sikh groups are not regarded as terrorists, and indeed warmly regarded, in certain sectors of their diasporas. The IRA enjoyed considerable fundraising and popularity in cities like Boston and Montreal back in the days when it was carrying out bombings of British targets, and the portrait of Talwinder Singh Parmar, the founder of Babbar Khalsa and mastermind of the Air India bombing, still hangs in Sikh religious centres in British Columbia.

Paul Rose, the leader of the FLQ cell that kidnapped and strangled Quebec cabinet minister Pierre Laporte in 1970, entered politics after his release from prison and was even a nominated candidate for the New Democratic Party of Quebec in 1992. Quebecers took a much more sympathetic view of him than English Canadians. Atwal is sort of a Sikh version of Paul Rose.

But even if he evaded placement on the no-fly list, and wangled an invitation to a prime ministerial event, there is one more puzzling question about his visit to India: Why would the Indian government have let him in?

The Indians despise Sikh separatists, and agents of the RAW, India's intelligence agency, have been caught repeatedly operating against Sikhs on Canadian soil (If you can't deal with these bastards, we will, RAW reportedly once told CSIS).

All of the ex-agents I spoke to had the same theory: Atwal, they assume, had elected to cooperate with Indian intelligence. That, and a decision by the current Indian government to pursue some sort of rapprochement with the Sikh diaspora – the Khalistani separatist movement in Canada is now all but moribund – would explain his ease in obtaining an Indian visa.

Lucky fellow, our Mr. Atwal. Time has passed, and memories have faded. Perhaps the men currently sitting in cages in Guantanamo Bay have some hope after all.

But perhaps, just out of an abundance of caution, it would be better to keep them off airplanes.

 

 

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n30s1ngh,  

not sure if u r a Sikh to replace   i in Singh with 1?

as the wisdom saying is, "one man's food (i am  veg), is another's poison...NDP Bhai Jagmeet  Singh Jio  answered the obvious indian govt gora chamcha >VERY INTELLIGENTLY ,<!

the chamcha gora  referred to 1984 genocide of Sikhs as, "riots (!!)," and our  Singh Soorma poster in Canada as terrorists (!!)??  AND SOORMA BHAI JAGMEET  SINGH JIO REPLIED AS THE PURA GRANDSON OF >PEACEFUL< SHAHEED HE IS, " THE KILLINGS OF INNOCENT LIVES IS WRONG, SHOULD BE CONDEMNED, AND THE ACTUAL GUILTY INDIAN GOVT (>CONGRESS<), WHO  KILLED INNOCENT AND UNARMED SIKHS IN 1984 AND >ALL RACES,  INCLUDING SIKHS, PASSENGERS KILLED IN AIR INDIA BOMBING SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED AND CONVICTED, AND MY ARDAS IS SAME FOR 1984 INDIAN GOVT GENOCIDE OF SIKHS (WHO  WERE UNARMED, DEFENSELESS, WHILE EVEN POLICE USE POLICE BATONS ON THEM, AS MANY PUBLIC VIDEOS HAVE PROVEN...SOME HACKED WITH  DAGGERS AND SET ON FIRE WHILE ALIVE..so not qualified to be a Canadian news host indian govt chamcha gora should be fired for having the audacity to refer to 1984 as riots??!!!

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12 minutes ago, sitokaur said:

n30s1ngh,  

not sure if u r a Sikh to replace   i in Singh with 1?

as the wisdom saying is, "one man's food (i am  veg), is another's poison...NDP Bhai Jagmeet  Singh Jio  answered the obvious indian govt gora chamcha >VERY INTELLIGENTLY ,<!

the chamcha gora  referred to 1984 genocide of Sikhs as, "riots (!!)," and our  Singh Soorma poster in Canada as terrorists (!!)??  AND SOORMA BHAI JAGMEET  SINGH JIO REPLIED AS THE PURA GRANDSON OF >PEACEFUL< SHAHEED HE IS, " THE KILLINGS OF INNOCENT LIVES IS WRONG, SHOULD BE CONDEMNED, AND THE ACTUAL GUILTY INDIAN GOVT (>CONGRESS<), WHO  KILLED INNOCENT AND UNARMED SIKHS IN 1984 AND >ALL RACES,  INCLUDING SIKHS, PASSENGERS KILLED IN AIR INDIA BOMBING SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED AND CONVICTED!!

If you want to hold that position fine but as as NDP-Federal party leader- he has to agree with Canadian judicial system-supreme court ruling which acquitted bagri and malik but in same breath hold parmar responsible as master mind and impartial inquiry did the same. Otherwise he undermines it, he looks too biased, not impartial, not fit for his job, laughing stock infront of canadians bad political optics all around, politics is about optics and perception, by acting dumb in the first interview he reconfirmed lot of people bias and fears.

He is federal party leader first. And last week he acccepted the canadian judical system-supreme court ruling and inquiry findings unequivocally which he should have done in oct instead of falling into political trap of ujjal dosanjh.

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I agree jagmeet singh is facing obvious campaign of political harassment, dog whistle politics as they call it. Because 1) he is an educate smart minority brown male 2) he is a turban wearing sikh 3) He defends his community and is passionate about getting justice for the Sikhs for the 1980s genocide and other attacks india carried out on the Sikh community.

The Canadian public should ask themselves is that so wrong? If that was a jewish candidate and he/she was campaigning to have the genocide against them by nazi germany recognised in law by Canadian parliament no one would be against it but we have racists and anti-sikh bigots in the canadian media and politics that need to be exposed.

For once and to his credit Sunny hundal no stranger to controversy in the Sikh community for his anti-sikh and negative articles of past years.....has recently been very balanced against the tirade of attacks against Sikh politicians and prime minister Justin trudeu. Sunny has actually called out the unfair rabid coverage recently Sikhs in canada and india. Just look at his social media and he is shocked at the way right wing indian/hindu activists and canadian right wing press has behaved. I think he is realising the scale of the racial and religious problems against minorities in canada and india.

What is clear now is agenda of the so called canadian journalists should be exposed using the very words they use against their targets. So if the target is jagmeet singh research all the articles a particular journalist has written about him and show the world that particular journalists and their publication a clear bias and racism against that Sikh politician. Call out that journalist for their racist and racial biases against other targets they victimise

Doesn't matter if its jagmeet or another Sikh politician we cant have racist/religiously hateful lines of questioning in civlised democracies and those so called journalists who fall foul of standards in jounalism should be exposed. Its as simple as that.

I particular don't want to see a Sikh leader of a mainstream political party or prime minister of country in the western nations they are born into or living in. In my view Sikhs would just be used as puppets while their business cooperate or banking puppet masters have them do their bidding while harming the Sikh image in front of the public. Just like prime minister manmohan singh was used as the fall guy the man to blame had congress party been accused of anything bad. Sonia gandhi allegedly said she doesnt want the be prime minister of India so offered it to manmohan as a gesture of good will to his community. The real reason she didnt want to be leader was because no serious Indian nationalist would have voted for a foreign born person also she wanted to hold the reigns of power behind the scenes use the puppet manmohan to do congress parties bidding also show the world that congress party has reform no longer the terrorist genocidal party that had murdered thousands of Sikhs from 1980s onwards.

So although its great to see Sikhs rise in Canadian political scene it is also dangerous for our image because people angered by their governments policies will be quick to point out the obvious racial and religious differences of their elected representative rather than point out the bad policies.

Sikhs should concentrate on creating political think tanks, banks, huge wealth funds and businesses and use that power for the shadows to influence government policy.

 

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I think Jagmeet Singh is handling things fairly well given the full onslaught of all media outlets, with veteran pro-india journalists( Terry M ,Terry G, Jonathan Kay…to name a few) having a field day tearing apart their favourite prey and plenty of new comers honing their skills by regurgitating.

But that’s what they do. They need an angle to attack us. We give them plenty.  We have over a dozen MPs and a Federal party leader, yet we can barely muster a proper response or show our side of the story in a competent manner. Apart from a few intelligent voices coming from WSO and our British pal Sunny Hundal, there seems to be a complete silence from our so called leaders. This is the time when leadership is needed. Sadly our “leaders” only know to scream and shout at nagar kirtans.

If we had 12 competent journalists/reporters from our community, giving the diverse views we hold, it would be of more use than having 12 MPs who are too scared to utter a word.

Our kaum needs real introspection of where we invest our energies. Politicians in these western democracies are more akin to mascots and punching bags as opposed to power holders. Look to how other communities are functioning in Canada. For example, the Chinese demographics are far greater and also much more wealthy and successful, yet they stay off the radar pretty  well. They don’t get into the muddy waters of politics. Our community keeps jumping to the forefront politically and then start complaining when the goray lay into us.

I hope the best for Jagmeet singh. The road to 2019 elections is going to be very bumpy. Not only will he be facing off against the ignorants, but also the subtle hand of GOI working through its favourite media proxies.

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ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹਿ ਜੀ

Hope your in chardikala

Do you have sant jagjit harkhowal contact number Das wanted to them to be their ustad when learning Guru Granth Sahib Ji Santhia even if the Santhia is bhagat bani that would be great if they dont have time.

Das is in punjab at the moment if you message Das on 07914253554 that would be great. 

Kind Regards

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21 hours ago, N30S1NGH said:

i prefer neil macdonald over terry. His recent article was bit biased but shed some jaw dropping revelations and reconfirming our suspicion that all sikhs been saying all long, he is bit vulgar but surely he spilled lot of beans recently-

http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/jaspal-atwal-1.4563222

Yeah, you posted a link to this article in the other topic, too.

Good on your for reposting here. It deserves its own thread, very interesting article. Many interesting things:

1) He calls the Sikhs and India equally savage. This might rub Sikhs wrong, but it's actually a massive improvement over the likes of Jonathan Kay. He seems to thing India was some wonderful democratic paradise, marred by the Sikhs who were violent for no reason whatsoever. MacDonald is actually calling the Indian government actions savage.

2) He says the Indian intelligence agencies threatened Canada that "we'll take care of the Sikhs if you don't". This is a huge violation of Canada's sovereignty. I can't believe more is not being made of this. India simply does not have the right to kill people on Canadian soil (same vice versa).

3) How did Atwal get a visa to India? Has any "journalist" other than MacDonald (like Terry M or Jonathan Kay) been curious as to this question? If not, it shows their agenda.

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22 hours ago, N30S1NGH said:

I would have said it would have been racist but knowning singh activism in the past it was fair line of questioning which jagmeet singh himself admits last week-fair questions

Why do you say this bro? Jagmeet Singh only has activism of supporting basic rights of Sikh prisoners, or supporting Punjab, not of supporting terrorism or bombings.

As to the question of pictures of Parmar in a few Gurdwaras: How many such Gurdwaras are there? But secondly, perhaps Jagmeet should have said that the entire point behind the photos being there are that those Gurdwaras don't think that Parmar did it. It would be insane for a Gurdwara to claim that Parmar did it and to support him for doing so. Meaning, it's one thing to not accept that Parmar did it (you can call someone deluded for thinking that), but that's not the same thing as supporting the bombing.

Regarding 1984 resolutions, how about this: Propose a combined motion condemning the Jewish holocaust, Armenian genocide, Sikh genocide, and a few others thrown in for good measure, and then dare people to vote against it.

22 hours ago, N30S1NGH said:

4. He is yet to come up with actual framework platform of ndp for next election,

Yeah, what is exactly is he for? More taxes/less taxes? Deficit spending? Canada already has socialized medicine and auto insurance. What else does he want to nationalize? Automobile manufacturing?

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8 minutes ago, BhForce said:

2) He says the Indian intelligence agencies threatened Canada that "we'll take care of the Sikhs if you don't". This is a huge violation of Canada's sovereignty. I can't believe more is not being made of this. India simply does not have the right to kill people on Canadian soil (same vice versa).

Sikhs should not take this threat lightly, they should make this one of election issues put in the laps of conservatives to address it (if they wish to win sikh votes) by reassuring canadians and canadian sikhs over and over that they won't violating the canadian sikhs right by allowing alien foreign entity - India intelligence to espionage sabotage / espionage cdn sikhs here.

The problem is we been too polite with our political parties, especially conservatives. This needs to be addressed by both conservatives and liberals. Since liberals have shown they are protecting canadian right such as omar khadr conservatives have done more opposite they are projecting themselves pro tough on everything, they will not think twice throwing sikhs under the bus. Conservatives now are more influenced by trump than stephan harper. Stephen harper where credit its due was much better conserative pm, he told GOI in india, we beleive in freedom of expression and told them we beleive in protecting canadian rights when sikh separatism was raised.

 

 

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20 hours ago, genie said:

If that was a jewish candidate and he/she was campaigning to have the genocide against them by nazi germany recognised in law by Canadian parliament no one would be against it but we have racists and anti-sikh bigots in the canadian media and politics that need to be exposed.

Good point. Maybe somebody should mention this when being interviewed by Jonathan Kay, who is Jewish. His middle name is literally Hillel!

20 hours ago, genie said:

For once and to his credit Sunny hundal no stranger to controversy in the Sikh community for his anti-sikh and negative articles of past years.....has recently been very balanced against the tirade of attacks against Sikh politicians

Thank God he's come to his senses. Sunny of years past would have been the first one to condemn Sikhs and the Sikh Panth.

20 hours ago, genie said:

So if the target is jagmeet singh research all the articles a particular journalist has written about him and show the world that particular journalists and their publication a clear bias and racism against that Sikh politician.

We need to have a Sikh think tank, or something or that sort, that does research ops stuff like that. Make "journalists" (actually media partisans) squirm. Expose their hypocrisy.

20 hours ago, genie said:

Sikhs should concentrate on creating political think tanks, banks, huge wealth funds and businesses and use that power for the shadows to influence government policy.

Your point should be seriously considered. Staying behind the scenes might be a better approach.

Then again, if we can get our media message together, it might be just as well to exorcise the Air India bombing demon now.

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1 hour ago, BhForce said:

Why do you say this bro? Jagmeet Singh only has activism of supporting basic rights of Sikh prisoners, or supporting Punjab, not of supporting terrorism or bombings.

 

Singhs is known for sikh activism which is good but also his past activism of supporting troubling rajoana case-interjecting in indian constitution of death penalty all together is bad optics all around, Lets see how this will get interperted in cdn media-

a) supporting rajaona rights of convicted bomber of punjab cm - bad optics, this will play out like in media - someone equivalent to supporting rights of someone potentially- killing cdn province premier regardless of cm history or not.

b) interjecting too much into indian constitution where death penalty is legitimate, again bad optics- another country federal leader meddling with indian constitutions.

Regarding b) He already said recently what india or indians do in india its none of his business so thats strong statement.

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As to the question of pictures of Parmar in a few Gurdwaras: How many such Gurdwaras are there? But secondly, perhaps Jagmeet should have said that the entire point behind the photos being there are that those Gurdwaras don't think that Parmar did it. It would be insane for a Gurdwara to claim that Parmar did it and to support him for doing so. Meaning, it's one thing to not accept that Parmar did it (you can call someone deluded for thinking that), but that's not the same thing as supporting the bombing.

Look i've been saying all long take questionable people poster off from gurdwara in the past, i sounded like broken record. I've been saying for ten years on here its wrong based on ruling of canadian judical system and air india enquiry- FYI cost of both were $100 million spent, its bad pr disaster, bad optics, massive loop hole to goi to exploit - someday it will come back and bite us in the backside and it did, fast fwd to today before many gurdwara had this poster but now two of them out of 100 have it and recent news i've learned in nagar kirtan supported by all gurdwaras in canada it much well thought out, less posters definitely wont include parmar which nagar kirtan stopped doing that 10 years ago.

 

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Regarding 1984 resolutions, how about this: Propose a combined motion condemning the Jewish holocaust, Armenian genocide, Sikh genocide, and a few others thrown in for good measure, and then dare people to vote against it.

Awesome idea, thats how it needs to be played. However, i think this motion on its own will pass without any issue in cdn parliament as indian current home minister himself called it sikh genocide and he on record saying that. There are plenty of leverage there and well thought out educated talking points to those oppose it

 

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Yeah, what is exactly is he for? More taxes/less taxes? Deficit spending? Canada already has socialized medicine and auto insurance. What else does he want to nationalize? Automobile manufacturing?

 typical left wing socialist agenda, very pro union and workers, speak to normal , middle class people, pro environmentalist,pro free universal pharma care AND BIG ONE- electoral reform, lot of it will depend on ontario provincial election there are polls showing ndp is gaining wind, if they win provincially this june in ontario like they have done in bc and alberta, this will set very good pleasant tone for federal ndp leader-jagmeet singh for next year federal election.

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