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Some nihangs in the chakarvarti dal who are constantly on the move around in Punjab have dedicated their life for the seva of others. When I was in the dal, they said that people are always tied under their family problems, and having a family would make it harder for them as their wife cannot come into the chakaravrti dal while she’s pregnant as it would be too hard for her to move every three days, therefore they remain unmarried so they can freely do their seva without any problems.  

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17 hours ago, Singh123456777 said:

And they gave up their ghristi life. You cannot be a ghristi to be jathedar of budha dal. 

Guru Hargobind to Guru Gobind Singh Ji (except Guru Harkrishan Ji) all led armies, yet also led a ghristi life. It’s very much possible to balance Saint and Soldier lifestyle. The argument that to be a leader you need to give up family life has been debunked all throughout Sikh history. 

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On 18/03/2018 at 3:37 AM, TaksalDaSingh9771 said:

ਸਤਿ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਕਾਾਾਾਾਾਾਾਾਲ

Like how you put the extended 'kanna'. :D

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1 hour ago, Neeliyanfaujan96 said:

Some nihangs in the chakarvarti dal who are constantly on the move around in Punjab have dedicated their life for the seva of others. When I was in the dal, they said that people are always tied under their family problems, and having a family would make it harder for them as their wife cannot come into the chakaravrti dal while she’s pregnant as it would be too hard for her to move every three days, therefore they remain unmarried so they can freely do their seva without any problems.  

What seva? Killing each other? Bending over for the GOI? Attacking fellow Sikhs? Ripping off amateur wannabes in the UK? Soliciting with prostitutes whilst claiming Sarbloh Bibek? 

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2 hours ago, Neeliyanfaujan96 said:

Some nihangs in the chakarvarti dal who are constantly on the move around in Punjab have dedicated their life for the seva of others. When I was in the dal, they said that people are always tied under their family problems, and having a family would make it harder for them as their wife cannot come into the chakaravrti dal while she’s pregnant as it would be too hard for her to move every three days, therefore they remain unmarried so they can freely do their seva without any problems.  

Kaurs back in the day, then, must have hidden in holes in the grounds? The Gurus, too, must have been tied under their family problems. The only ones not tied down, it seems, then must be all these nangs you mention and obese-al-qaum Santa.

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No point in arguing with 13-mirch. He is just on a nihang witch hunt and i cant do or say anything that will make him happy. 

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On ‎3‎/‎18‎/‎2018 at 8:56 AM, Singh123456777 said:


ਅਉਰੁ ਕੋਈ ਨਿੰਦ ਕਰੈ ਹਰਿ ਜਨ ਕੀ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਤਾ ਕਾ ਕਹਿਆ ਇਕੁ ਤਿਲੁ ਨਹੀ ਮਾਨੈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
If someone slanders the humble servant of the Lord, God does not believe even a tiny bit of what he says. ||1||Pause||

The above pangtee refer to "Hari Jan".

Before you jump the gun in defending Santa Sio as "Hari Jan", understand who exactly SatGuroo has called a a "Hari Jan" :

ਆਠ ਪਹਰ ਜਨੁ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਜਪੈ ॥
ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਭਗਤੁ ਪ੍ਰਗਟ ਨਹੀ ਛਪੈ ॥
  • Hari Jan jaaps naam 24/7
  • Hari Jan never hides 

If Santa Sio (as Jatheydaar..and as what his followers call him as "panth patshah"- so called) was truly a Hari Jan with 24/7 naam kamae, its unlikely any force in the world could have made him bend to Indhira. Secondly, as Jathedaar of guru ki fauj, we don't know where he was during and after when Sri Darbar Sahib was under attack.

Many Sikhs turned their back on the Panth in 1984, but Santa Sio as not only remained dormant. He betrayed panth by bowing to Indhira . What does Gurbani say of a person like this?

ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਸੰਕਟਵੈ ਸੇਵਕੁ ਭਜੈ ॥  If the servant runs away when his master(Satguroo) is in trouble,
ਚਿਰੰਕਾਲ ਨ ਜੀਵੈ ਦੋਊ ਕੁਲ ਲਜੈ ॥੧॥ he will not have a long life, and he brings shame to all his family. ||1||
Santa Sio's jivan in panth ended when Panth declared him as tankhaiya. There is no sin in his ninda , neither was a "Hari Jan" in anyway. 
 

 

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1 hour ago, guruvah said:

The above pangtee refer to "Hari Jan".

Before you jump the gun in defending Santa Sio as "Hari Jan", understand who exactly SatGuroo has called a a "Hari Jan" :

ਆਠ ਪਹਰ ਜਨੁ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਜਪੈ ॥
ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਭਗਤੁ ਪ੍ਰਗਟ ਨਹੀ ਛਪੈ ॥
  • Hari Jan jaaps naam 24/7
  • Hari Jan never hides 

If Santa Sio (as Jatheydaar..and as what his followers call him as "panth patshah"- so called) was truly a Hari Jan with 24/7 naam kamae, its unlikely any force in the world could have made him bend to Indhira. Secondly, as Jathedaar of guru ki fauj, we don't know where he was during and after when Sri Darbar Sahib was under attack.

Many Sikhs turned their back on the Panth in 1984, but Santa Sio as not only remained dormant. He betrayed panth by bowing to Indhira . What does Gurbani say of a person like this?

ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਸੰਕਟਵੈ ਸੇਵਕੁ ਭਜੈ ॥  If the servant runs away when his master(Satguroo) is in trouble,
ਚਿਰੰਕਾਲ ਨ ਜੀਵੈ ਦੋਊ ਕੁਲ ਲਜੈ ॥੧॥ he will not have a long life, and he brings shame to all his family. ||1||
Santa Sio's jivan in panth ended when Panth declared him as tankhaiya. There is no sin in his ninda , neither was a "Hari Jan" in anyway. 
 

 

But did he not come back to akal thakat to accept his tankah? So your point is unvalid.

If baba thakur singh ji said that baba santa singh ji was a sant then i take his word for it

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This was when baba santa singh ji went to akal thakat sahib

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3 hours ago, Singh123456777 said:

But did he not come back to akal thakat to accept his tankah? So your point is unvalid.

If baba thakur singh ji said that baba santa singh ji was a sant then i take his word for it

How long did it take him to do that though? It was only when he saw an opportunity to promote himself at the expense of the Badals that he crawled to the Takhat. Nangs continually harp the anti-SGPC/Akali line, yet their great jathedar crawled to these very same institutes for forgiveness.

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6 hours ago, Singh123456777 said:

No point in arguing with 13-mirch. He is just on a nihang witch hunt and i cant do or say anything that will make him happy. 

You, <banned word filter activated> Bob and horny Kamal are all one and the same.

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6 hours ago, Singh123456777 said:

 

No point in arguing with 13-mirch. He is just on a nihang witch hunt and i cant do or say anything that will make him happy. 

 

Nihang Witch Hunt? LoL, oh come on? Your going to do better than that if you’re going to defend a traditionalist sect that is dwindling in numbers and desperately trying to search for a way to be relevant in the modern age. 

Instead of sensationalizing this as a “witch hunt” just counter his arguements and move on. When you refuse to engage in a discussion, it’s inevetable that people will side with him or pressure you. 

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26 minutes ago, TheeTurbanator said:

Nihang Witch Hunt? LoL, oh come on? Your going to do better than that if you’re going to defend a traditionalist sect that is dwindling in numbers and desperately trying to search for a way to be relevant in the modern age. 

Don't call it a "traditional sect".

Just don't.

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21 minutes ago, monatosingh said:

Don't call it a "traditional sect".

Just don't.

That’s literally what it is, it’s not a derogatory term, it’s literaly describing what the Primal Khalsa was like. The Nihangs have preserved a lot of traditional rituals  and practices from the early days of the Khalsa.  

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I always find it interesting from a psychological viewpoint when one is so far up another’s, or, in this case, a collectives arse to the point where they can most probably taste the Dabur hair oil...the collective being the Dal Panth here, until alas...the tables have turned, kachera drops, and cheeks are spread for further ramming; the accuser who shouts “Nang” quite evidently becomes the “Nang” themselves. This, beyond a shadow of a doubt, leads to repressed anger as can be seen in this thread as well as sounding like a stroke victim speaking gibberish elsewhere on the interwebs.

And then they say so many Nihangs are mentally unstable...OHH EM GEE...I rather disrespectfully disagree.

Akaaaaaaaaaaluuhh!

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