"When all other methods fail, it is proper to hold the sword in hand" - Guru Gobind Singh Ji: A Response to those who Advocate Violence

[sitokaur]

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[TheeTurbanator]

9 hours ago, sitokaur said:

>♡VahigurooNAAMJANTAR,MANTAR,TANTAR>HAIJIO <♡withloveateycouragetokeepupthisbarosaourNAAMJORRHUMANBODYwillbelethalweapons>BRAHMGYANISAINTWARRIORS<♡<withoutneedforlethalweaponstouproot5bhootmayafromexistenceJio_/\_justasonecancercellseliminatedcreatesanotherasalizard'stail,likewiseeliminatingmatterovermind,WILLNOTENDCYCLEOFJANAMMARAM5BHOOTEVILMINDSJIO_/\_

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I cant read English Larivaar, can you please type your message properly so we can understand? 

[GurjantGnostic]

10 minutes ago, TheeTurbanator said:

I cant read English Larivaar, can you please type your message properly so we can understand? 

They seem to be pretending to be an esl speaker. Whatever persona they want to embody on the internet is cool I guess. It's a free world wide web. 

[sitokaur]

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[sitokaur]

Pranam  Gurjant SINGH JIO,

KIRPAN IS TO PROTECT YOU >FROM SPIRITUAL BHOOT< AS YOU DO BHAGTI AS >KIRPAN IS VAHIGUROO JORR IN SPIRIT<_/\_

prove to me you can get Jaggi out using offensive force with Kirpan, because that is just what our  adversaries waiting for...how many more Shaheeds, that has only made them  more corrupt, receive more support and manipulate justice  more?_/\_

MAAN JEETAI JAAG  JEET SINGH JIO!_/\_♡

Guru Nanak kirpa dya mehr karo Jio_/\_ 

[sitokaur]

Pranam  Gurjant SINGH JIO,

KIRPAN IS TO PROTECT YOU  AS YOU DO BHAGTI AS >KIRPAN IS VAHIGUROO JORR IN SPIRIT<_/\_

prove to me you can get Jaggi out using offensive force with Kirpan, because that is just what our  adversaries waiting for...how many more Shaheeds, that has only made them  more corrupt, receive more support and manipulate justice  more?_/\_

MAAN JEETAI JAG JEET!♡

Guru Nanak kirpa dya mehr karo Jio_/\_ 

[S1ngh]

On 3/14/2018 at 8:40 PM, TheeTurbanator said:

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

 

Recently, there has been an assassination attempt on a man named "Kuldeep Singh" from Virginia, USA, over the desecration of the "Khand Di Phaul" Amrit Sanchaar ceremony of the Khalsa Panth. In May of 2016 a famous Sikh preacher named "Ranjit Singh Dhadrianwale" was also faced with an assassination attempt, which was also carried out by not the Indian government or some external power, but by fellow Sikhs. Without going into the specific issues behind the motivation of their attempted assassinations or the issues themselves, I would like to discuss the very use of violence as per Sikhi.

To some Sikhs, it might be okay to make mockery of the religion, bring sudden drastic anti-Gurmat change. You based your whole post on two events and showed that somehow they are the victims. To folks like me, they are the well known perpetrators who should face stiff punishments. Your first paragraph saved me time to read rest of the thread. Know the person and his deeds first before throwing all support.

 

[TheeTurbanator]

34 minutes ago, S1ngh said:

. You based your whole post on two events and showed that somehow they are the victims.

My post wasn't showing how they are the victims, it was that a non-violent act should not be met with violence. There are other ways we can combat this than go out and assassinate people for victimless crimes. 

 

36 minutes ago, S1ngh said:

To folks like me, they are the well known perpetrators who should face stiff punishments.

Of course they should face a punishment, however it should not be physical, let alone death. If someone changes a Khalsa practice, such as the Khand Di Phaul, then they should try to justify their views as per Gurmat, and if they fail. they should apologize, however even if they dont, they should not be killed, an excommunication and boycott is more than enough. 

 

39 minutes ago, S1ngh said:

Your first paragraph saved me time to read rest of the thread.

If you are going to rebut an argument, you should at least read the entire thing in context. 

 

39 minutes ago, S1ngh said:

Know the person and his deeds first before throwing all support.

I am fully aware of the perpetrators of these actions, and I still agree they should not be KILLED, and in the worse case excommunicated, do you have a problem with that? 

[superdupersingh]

16 hours ago, TheeTurbanator said:

My post wasn't showing how they are the victims, it was that a non-violent act should not be met with violence. There are other ways we can combat this than go out and assassinate people for victimless crimes. 

LOL you are completely deluded. Please read some itihaas.

The corrupt masands met their end by being thrown into boiling oil as per guru ji's hukam. 

You are just attempting to spread your manmat, so please stop talking nonsense before you embarrass yourself further.  

[TheeTurbanator]

31 minutes ago, superdupersingh said:

The corrupt masands met their end by being thrown into boiling oil as per guru ji's hukam. 

 

The Masands were also going out and physically committing violence, which included rapes, murders, etc, it's not mere words or committing victimless crimes. I have already stated that when things get violent, then violence can be used, you are bringing up the masands as a strawman fallacy to muddy the waters.

33 minutes ago, superdupersingh said:

You are just attempting to spread your manmat, so please stop talking nonsense before you embarrass yourself further.  

Saying that Sikhs should not assassinate people for victimless crimes and not answer non violence with violence is manmat? Can you show me of any Gurbani or History from the Guru that shows the Guru assassinating people for non physical, victimless crimes?  

People like you, who aren't willing to sit down and have an intellectual discussion, and just pull out a kirpan on those they disagree with are the problem in the panth. You can't just advocate violence against everyone you disagree with, you are very unreasonable. 

I formally challenge you to a debate to prove your argument using Gurbani and history from the Guru, will you accept?