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There is one place in springfield road, hayes where this occurs and only certain hukamnamas are read. Anyone else notice this?

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17 hours ago, Guest room said:

There is one place in springfield road, hayes where this occurs and only certain hukamnamas are read. Anyone else notice this?

I was told that Nanaksar Temple have a Maryada where Granthi ji can take new Hukamnama if the first or second is of scolding or rebuke.

Strong will accept any Hukam

ਜੇ ਗੁਰੁ ਝਿੜਕੇ ਤ ਮੀਠਾ ਲਾਗੈ ਜੇ ਬਖਸੇ ਤ ਗੁਰ ਵਡਿਆਈ ॥੨੫॥

Even if the Guru rebukes me, He still seems very sweet to me. And if He actually forgives me, that is the Guru's greatness. ||25||

 

But there's a provision for weak too ie Bhagat Jan can change Bhagwaan Ji's command

 

ਮੇਰੀ ਬਾਂਧੀ ਭਗਤੁ ਛਡਾਵੈ ਬਾਂਧੈ ਭਗਤੁ ਨ ਛੂਟੈ ਮੋਹਿ ॥

The devotee can release anyone from my bondage, but I cannot release anyone from his.

ਏਕ ਸਮੈ ਮੋ ਕਉ ਗਹਿ ਬਾਂਧੈ ਤਉ ਫੁਨਿ ਮੋ ਪੈ ਜਬਾਬੁ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੧॥

If, at any time, he grabs and binds me, even then, I cannot protest. ||1||

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On 3/15/2018 at 1:30 PM, Kira said:

It would be so easy to manipulate a cyber hukamnama, like an entry level computer science student could do it. Cyber Hukamnamas, what next bro? Amrit dispensaries? robots doing langar seva? automatic chaur sahibs?

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheuguru Ji Ki Fateh

Daas is the maintainer of the website https://gurbaninow.com/

On the Random Shabad Page, the website just picks a random number that corresponds to a Shabad.

But I agree with you though, this is the reason why I named it Random Shabad rather than "Cyber Hukamnama" or something of the sort.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheuguru Ji Ki Fateh

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I found this info on STTM 
 
Khalis Foundation
Along with #STTM, we built Khajana, the technology that powers it and the next generation of Gurbani Apps. More info:(link: http://khajana.org) khajana.org
 
The BaniDB Alliance is a group of app developers and organizations that work together to create a single, accurate, digital source for all gurbani, transliterations and translations. Our goal is to serve all apps with an open API that is updated and corrected and provides a variety of options.

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6 hours ago, Guest GurbaniNow Sevadaar said:

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheuguru Ji Ki Fateh

Daas is the maintainer of the website https://gurbaninow.com/

On the Random Shabad Page, the website just picks a random number that corresponds to a Shabad.

But I agree with you though, this is the reason why I named it Random Shabad rather than "Cyber Hukamnama" or something of the sort.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheuguru Ji Ki Fateh

Waheguru ji ka khalsa

Waheguru ji ki fateh

Congatulations, great work !

Can you add other translations like the ones on Srigranth.org for comparative study.

Thanks n keep up the good work.

Waheguru ji ka khalsa

Waheguru ji ki fateh

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Doesn't anyone else see the dangers of digitalisation of gurbani?

it can be very easily altered and difficult to spot unlike the physical form. 

Our enemies are destroying the physical forms of gurbani which are authentic whilst we are trying to combat this by putting it into a virtual format.

Its completely possible that this is their agenda. I think we should be collecting and preserving gurbani in the  original form since this new digital trend has major future pitfalls which i have mentioned: the easy and widespread corruption and distortion of gurbani which our enemies will no doubt be doing after they have done what they can on the physical side. Also the digital versions are completely dependent on electricity/internet/computers and who knows what will happen in the future.

This isn't an ethical argument about gurbani being digitalised but on what is likely to happen based on how our enemies operate. We are playing into their hands. 

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14 minutes ago, superdupersingh said:

Doesn't anyone else see the dangers of digitalisation of gurbani?

it can be very easily altered and difficult to spot unlike the physical form. 

Our enemies are destroying the physical forms of gurbani which are authentic whilst we are trying to combat this by putting it into a virtual format.

Its completely possible that this is their agenda. I think we should be collecting and preserving gurbani in the  original form since this new digital trend has major future pitfalls which i have mentioned: the easy and widespread corruption and distortion of gurbani which our enemies will no doubt be doing after they have done what they can on the physical side. Also the digital versions are completely dependent on electricity/internet/computers and who knows what will happen in the future.

This isn't an ethical argument about gurbani being digitalised but on what is likely to happen based on how our enemies operate. We are playing into their hands. 

That's why we need to find and secure all saroops of Gurbani where-ever they are. Even if the Saroops are kept gupt (and imo a certain amount should be for security reasons) it would be immensely important. I'll give you an example from Chandi di Vaar, there's 2 apps out there, during the part where it says "Indar jayhaa jodhaa maithou bhujiaa" one has maithou as being Meiou, which makes no sense. The app still hasn't been corrected and these differences are really detrimental to the panth as a whole, they breed confusion about a scripture many so called sikhs already do immense nindya of.

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9 minutes ago, superdupersingh said:

Doesn't anyone else see the dangers of digitalisation of gurbani?

it can be very easily altered and difficult to spot unlike the physical form. 

What? It's true that it can be very easily altered, but any changes would be extremely easy to spot (unlike the physical form). Changes can be found within seconds.

12 minutes ago, superdupersingh said:

I think we should be collecting and preserving gurbani in the  original form

Huh? Nobody is changing Gurbani in the original form. People are not disposing of old recensions of Guru Granth Sahib, and replacing those with an iPad. Rather, Gurbani is just being made available on the Internet for those who want to access it that way.

20 minutes ago, superdupersingh said:

Also the digital versions are completely dependent on electricity/internet/computers and who knows what will happen in the future.

Totally agree, but nobody's saying to remove Guru Granth Sahib ji from the Gurdwaras.

I would say the vast majority of people who are accessing Gurbani on the Internet are not those would otherwise have pothis (2 volume sets) of Guru Granth Sahib at home, so basically this expanding the reach of Gurbani.

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5 minutes ago, Kira said:

I'll give you an example from Chandi di Vaar, there's 2 apps out there, during the part where it says "Indar jayhaa jodhaa maithou bhujiaa" one has maithou as being Meiou, which makes no sense.

Well, you're right that the state of Dasam bani authenticity in apps/Internet is atrocious, but that's true even in printed Gutkas.

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2 minutes ago, BhForce said:

Well, you're right that the state of Dasam bani authenticity in apps/Internet is atrocious, but that's true even in printed Gutkas.

I've noticed they seem to add bindis everywhere, not sure if the original manuscripts had all of them where they have been placed but the Gutka situation isn't unique only to Dasam Bani, its true for all bani. I've seen Sukhmani Sahib Gutkas where they've misprinted the 7th Astphadi due to Sadh and Sadhu being too similar or something.  

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I don’t use Sikhi to the max. I downloaded the app, and it’s so confusing and not user friendly. If you want to search a shabad, it doesn’t bring up anything. 

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26 minutes ago, Kira said:

I've seen Sukhmani Sahib Gutkas where they've misprinted the 7th Astphadi due to Sadh and Sadhu being too similar or something.  

Best to stick to SGPC gutkas. I'd not buy a gutka from a miscellaneous publisher who just throws together a gukta to sell it and make some money.

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1 hour ago, BhForce said:

What? It's true that it can be very easily altered, but any changes would be extremely easy to spot (unlike the physical form). Changes can be found within seconds.

Huh? Nobody is changing Gurbani in the original form. People are not disposing of old recensions of Guru Granth Sahib, and replacing those with an iPad. Rather, Gurbani is just being made available on the Internet for those who want to access it that way.

What? Don't think you understood. 

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1 hour ago, BhForce said:

Best to stick to SGPC gutkas. I'd not buy a gutka from a miscellaneous publisher who just throws together a gukta to sell it and make some money.

even they have some errors within them as well. The whole situation is rather bleak. 

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