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Why did the Sarbatt Khalsa 2015 fail? Because we had no identified issues to resolve; no viable leadership alternatives; no progressive plans outlined and above all we elected sampradaic thugs to lead us. Who called this Sarbatt Khalsa? The UAD of the infamous Simranjeet Singh Maan, a second-rate politician, and the more rebellious elements of the Sant-Samaj who wished to sit on higher chairs than their superiors. Let us take examples, from the Sikh past, as to why Sarbatt Khalsas were held and what their outcomes were:

1.) Bhai Mani Singh Ji, with the concurrence of other elected Sikh leaders, called a Sarbatt Khalsa to resolve the Tat-Bandai conflict. The Bandais military strength was decimated and the Mughals also forced to retreat for the time. This Sarbatt Khalsa addressed as to who was the Guru Ad perpetum, the Guru Granth Sahib Ji or Banda Singh Bahadur.

2.) The next Sarbatt Khalsa divided the Sikhs into 5 Jathas, all 200 strong, to bolster the Panth's depleted military strength. These Jathas consisted of the younger Sikhs, Bhujangis, and were led by veteran Nihangs such as Baba Dip Singh Ji.

3.) A Sarbatt Khalsa was then held in the jungles of Punjab to debate the Mughals' offer of governorship to the Sikhs. Five Sikhs were elected by the assembled Sikhs to debate the pros and cons of the offer and present them to the Sangat. The Sarbatt Khalsa ended with a re-definition of governorship i.e.

-The governor would have a council of five Sikhs who would continually advise him on matters affecting the Sangat.

-The governor would be bound to the dictums of the Sangat and not vice versa.

-The governor would retain the prerogative to elect his own successor but only if the sangat ratified his course of action.

3.) Kapur Singh, the elected governor, would commune the next Sarbatt Khalsa. In this, he would demarcate the Sikhs into two blocs- the Budha Dal and Tarna Dal.

Each and every one of these Sarbatt Khalsas, and successive assemblies, would follow the same course:

1.) The assembly would be declared, Sikhs would collate.

2.) All who collated, would then elect a body to debate upon and identify the most crucial matters facing the Panth.

3.) A body of intellectuals and leaders, in both social and military competencies, would then be elected to decide which course of action to take in whichever crucial matters they were mandated to resolve.

In the 2015 Sarbatt Khalsa what we had was:

1.) All issues were identified prior by UAD and the Samaj. The Sangat was involved nowhere.

2.) A body was already elected, prior, to the event itself which had formed it's own opinions and preconceived notions.

3.) Intellectuals and the more honest leaders (including some sell-outs desiring to fool the sangat) were nowhere present.

4.) And lastly, but most importantly, all the crucial issues worth debating were absent. What were these issues?

A.) In post-colonial India, why are the Sikhs facing socio-political persecution whenever they desire to express sentiments of self-determination?

B.) The beadbi at Bargari has historically been witnessed in post-independence Punjab as well. What are the hidden motives behind such acts?

C.) As institutes of the Panth, our Jathas and SGPC are fast deteriorating. What can be done to either restore their pristine states or amputate them from the greater body politic?

D.) How can the supremacy of the Akal-Takhat be re-established? How can it be ensured that the institute is taken out of the hands of politicians and instead put in the hands of the Panth?

E.) Jathedari, as conceived by the SGPC and Deras, is greatly varied from what it was historically. Is this new current of leadership viable or should we revert to the historic model?

F.) Is Western democracy and secular administration conducive for the Khalsa Panth? If so then how to bring it in consort with Panthic political norms? If not, then is it high time that we ignore parliamentary procedures and form our own?

G.) How can Punjab, the Sikh homeland, be saved from it's present regressive state? How can the border issues; the assets issues and the waters issues be resolved satisfactorily? If not, then what policy is the Panth to adopt?

H.) How can Sikhs, globally, be brought under one single platform?

I.) How can impartial Sikh leaders be identified and/or trained for the future?

J.) How can Sikhi be spread globally?

What we had instead was this:

1.) A prisoner is our Jathedar whilst his proxy retains true power.

2.) Sampradaic thugs, with proven track records of treachery, are our Jathedars.

3.) A regurgitation of penalizing KPS Gill and Brar.

4.) Go home everyone, end of show.

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22 hours ago, 13Mirch said:

Is Western democracy and secular administration conducive for the Khalsa Panth? If so then how to bring it in consort with Panthic political norms? If not, then is it high time that we ignore parliamentary procedures and form our own?

What do you mean when you say this? 

If not a democratic body politic then what? 

Did you attend the last sarbat khalsa? 

I'm really curious to hear your views 


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as much as i was proud of SK15, it appears nothing has been achieved. great idea making hawara the jathedar, but realistically what can he do from tihar jail? has the panth listened to him? there was no mention of khalistan at sk15, but the same mokham singh was the one who announced it at sk86? it seems as if the sk15 jathedars influence has declined massively, while none of the matheh passed seem to have been implemented? in hindsight it seems as it was a political tool used against the akalis?

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