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[Kira]

4 hours ago, guruvah said:

 

Is there any conclusive evidence of this claim?

There's an entire list of all the Jathedars of Taksal, you can trace this back to Baba Deep Singh Ji and Bhai Mani Singh Ji.

[TaksalDaSingh9771]

10 hours ago, Guest Dera Mehta said:

Dera Mehta has no connection to Takht Sri Damdama Sahib.

Dera Mehta is located far away from Sri Damdama Sahib.

But Zail coined the phrase DDT in 1970's to fool Sikhs

 

[guruvah]

20 hours ago, monatosingh said:

There actually are many people who believe that it started some time after. Some people say they hardly knew what Damdami Taksal even was until Mahapurakhs brought it up.

However, that argument could go for any samparda. Doesn't specifically need to be Taksal. One could easily say the same for Nihangs, Nanaksaris, etc. 

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There's an entire list of all the Jathedars of Taksal, you can trace this back to Baba Deep Singh Ji and Bhai Mani Singh Ji.

1.None of the denominations you have mentioned have similar maryada or nitnem to start with. Let alone for us to even consider their lineage traces back to Guru Gobind Singh's time.

2. When people claim their lineage goes back to GUru Gobind Singh sahib himself starting them like how Taksal or Budha Dal does. To such extent that both claim "we" were trace back to Baba Deep Singh jee. Then conclusive historical evidence matters, because both lay claim authority & legitimacy in their narratives, maryada, interpretation of Gurmat in many key area.

Evidence matters because in nihangs, what mainstream Sikh see as Kurehit(e.g. meat, intoxicants(marijuana)) have been normalized. Even interpretation of Gurbani is twisted to suit their narrative & bias.

Problem definition/Conclusion: These lineage claims are merely oral claims without any substantive conclusive evidence. 

[GurjantGnostic]

9 hours ago, guruvah said:

intoxicants(marijuana

Marijuana is scientifically speaking non-toxic. Less toxic than say tea by far. Isn't there evidence Guru Gobund Singh Ji drank shaheedi degh?

There is evidence of eating meat to feed army in an emergency as well? As a last resort to keep from starving?

[Guest]

2 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Marijuana is scientifically speaking non-toxic. Less toxic than say tea by far. Isn't there evidence Guru Gobund Singh Ji drank shaheedi degh?

There is evidence of eating meat to feed army in an emergency as well? As a last resort to keep from starving?

http://www.jhatkamaryada.com/jhatka/maas/ithihaas/

http://www.jhatkamaryada.com/khalsa-traditions/sukha/

Guru Gobind Singh ji promoted hunting and advised the Khalsa to eat jhatka/hunted meat to build their bodies and to get used to bloodshed. They even advised what kinds of meat should be eaten.

[Kira]

20 hours ago, guruvah said:

1.None of the denominations you have mentioned have similar maryada or nitnem to start with. Let alone for us to even consider their lineage traces back to Guru Gobind Singh's time.

2. When people claim their lineage goes back to GUru Gobind Singh sahib himself starting them like how Taksal or Budha Dal does. To such extent that both claim "we" were trace back to Baba Deep Singh jee. Then conclusive historical evidence matters, because both lay claim authority & legitimacy in their narratives, maryada, interpretation of Gurmat in many key area.

Evidence matters because in nihangs, what mainstream Sikh see as Kurehit(e.g. meat, intoxicants(marijuana)) have been normalized. Even interpretation of Gurbani is twisted to suit their narrative & bias.

Problem definition/Conclusion: These lineage claims are merely oral claims without any substantive conclusive evidence. 

1) Similar nitnems or Maryada mean nothing. Depending on the lifestyle different marayadas and different nitnems are used, that's common sense. Why would a warrior lead the same lifestyle as a e.g baker. That's why their Marayadas differ but both are Parvan because they lead different lifestyles. 

2) Except there is historical records of it, you can find it in places like Amir Bhandar Steek and steeks from the 19th century, to find records you need to know the various names the oraganisation takes as they change through the courseof history ,Both Samparadayas lay claim to the lineage and both don't refute the other, the opposite actually as both consider each other brothers, there's no conflict there.

Why the hatred for Nihangs? because they eat meat? There's plenty of historical sources that say Sikhs ate meat,  what intoxicants are you talking about? is this about Shaheedi Degh? A universal rehit will and has never existed, due to the fact that there were several traditional organisations within the panth all doing their own seva for it. One can't be applied to the other. "Mainstream" sikhs are also misguided, some believe that all paths lead to God, most wouldn't even know the 5 Banis, so why are you concerned with the mainstream panth. There were several pages on SA about this very issue, I urge you to go and read them. They're pretty good.

[Sewadar]

Taksal is a great jathabandi and will stay the most respected jathabandi along with other jathays.

Every institution has problem of their own, let them solve it on their own.

With saying this, I’m closing this thread.