Would A Transgender Amritdhari Sikh Be A Singh or Kaur?

[jkvlondon]

5 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

That's harsh, bro.

not living in hukam in a major way , so not really ready to follow the Guru ... just the truth bro

[MisterrSingh]

4 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

not living in hukam in a major way , so not really ready to follow the Guru ... just the truth bro

True. That doesn't mean there's something inside of them that doesn't crave the Guru. How they manage to get there is anybody's guess. 

[jkvlondon]

4 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

True. That doesn't mean there's something inside of them that doesn't crave the Guru. How they manage to get there is anybody's guess. 

what I have seen in the gay section of any society is they think the faiths they want should alter their fundamental requirements to accomodate their lifestyles etc however this is total opposite attitude the faith adherents inculcate they come from a point of nimrata and longing , willing to sacrifice comforts and ease to serve their faith and Akal Purakh. Any mention of discarding extra martital sex is an anathaema to them , and they often distort the teaching to justify their lifestyles not seeing that losing kaam, krodh ahankar , etc as positives for life . No doubt there are a small minority who can and do change and sacrifice their sexlife a become behingam to serve the Guru ji and I have no problems with that  but it is literally handfuls amongst thousands .

The transgender people can choose what they like but the Guru's rehit is atal , they can serve the panth in their new form and do sewa etc but on a mental/emotional level they have rejected Guru ji's wisdom so deeply and let their haumai rule . If we can reject a mona for amrit because he/she rejects hukam of kesh  in fact they are considered patit  what level would you consider someone who alters his/her physical form in every possible way ?

 

[N30S1NGH]

Interesting question, unfortunately don't know the answer. Vaishakhi is coming up in april, there will be lots of amrit sanchars occurring across the country,  just call them gurdwara and ask panj pyares directly instead of relying on indirect inferences here, just ask i have a friend who belongs to hijare(transsexual) category , is he/she allowed to take amrit?. If its allowed, don't think you have to pick singh or kaur then there nor they assigned to you, at least not that i am aware of.?

I would think its not clear cut-simple yes or no, its probably assessed case by case basis depending on seeker interest in sikhi and state of mind.

According to my understanding panj pyares (pacha ka gur ek dyaan) mostly they only operate and concentrate on/from universal all pervading guru(pure consciousness in all ) which exist in everyone and from universal sri guru granth sahib- universal sidhant of it, so fist they only see goodness so by default they operate from that point of view and assess case by case basis.

[Mahakaal96]

Considering that ‘Khande di pahul’ was only ever given to men & intended for men only your question is null and void according to maryada of Budha Dal & Hazur Sahib where even women are not given ‘Khande di Pahul’

if you are a kusra and want amrit your better of trying 1 of the ‘modern’ man made jathas with man made maryada.... they give amrit to anyone 

[InderjitS]

20 hours ago, Mahakaal96 said:

Considering that ‘Khande di pahul’ was only ever given to men & intended for men only your question is null and void according to maryada of Budha Dal & Hazur Sahib where even women are not given ‘Khande di Pahul’

If they are administered kirpan dha Amrit are they considered Khalsa?

[Mahakaal96]

On 12/02/2018 at 3:58 PM, InderjitS said:

If they are administered kirpan dha Amrit are they considered Khalsa?

No, they are not.

The Khalsa is a BROTHERhood of warriors..... not a social club where wives, sisters & daughter etc can all come along.

[Mahakaal96]

On 11/02/2018 at 4:11 AM, TheeTurbanator said:

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

Lets suppose that I am a "transgender Sikh" who was originally biologically male but now identify as a female. Lets assume that I receive "Khand Di Phaul", which is the official initiation into the Khalsa Panth. Would I then call myself a Singh or a Kaur? What does Gurbani or Rehat have to say on this? 

Your question is flawed..... according to puratan granths transgender people are neither male or female... they are a separate  gender in their own right. Your whole question is incorrect because you haven’t even understood what a transgender person is.

[InderjitS]

43 minutes ago, Mahakaal96 said:

No, they are not.

The Khalsa is a BROTHERhood of warriors..... not a social club where wives, sisters & daughter etc can all come along.

Interesting, why give them kirpan Amrit at all?

[Big_Tera]

On 11/02/2018 at 1:23 PM, Kira said:

neither. They wouldn't be allowed to take Amrit. 

Who decided that? ?