Would A Transgender Amritdhari Sikh Be A Singh or Kaur?

[Not2Cool2Argue]

On 13/02/2018 at 12:46 PM, Mahakaal96 said:

No, they are not.

The Khalsa is a BROTHERhood of warriors..... not a social club where wives, sisters & daughter etc can all come along.

So how would you reconcile Mai Bhagos Sakhi? Why was she allowed to roam with the singhs at nanded and carry weapons? 

Also wat words are used to say Khalsa is a brotherhood of warriors? Bhaichara? Bhaichara means society and includes families.Also, doesnt a brotherhood of warriord just make it like a secret knights of templar thing? With no spiritual significance?

Alot of ppl have hinted that amrit isnt necessary for enlightenment. Including bhai jagraj singh of basics of sikhi. That its only for the ppl who want to be fighters/join the army. That Guru Granth Sahib is the Jagat Guru, the guru of the whole world and will enlighten anyone who comes into their sharan/sanctuary. But then what of charan pahul and gurdikhshana?

[Kira]

15 minutes ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

Alot of ppl have hinted that amrit isnt necessary for enlightenment. Including bhai jagraj singh of basics of sikhi. That its only for the ppl who want to be fighters/join the army. That Guru Granth Sahib is the Jagat Guru, the guru of the whole world and will enlighten anyone who comes into their sharan/sanctuary. But then what of charan pahul and gurdikhshana?

You need Amrit to get Mukhti bro, there are plenty of Sakhis that prove that. Even in higher up realms, it takes a large amount of Spiritual Power and Kamai to be born human, let alone be born into a Sikhi family.

Even Devtas come into Sikh families to get Amrit and gain Mukhti. 

[GurjantGnostic]

35 minutes ago, Kira said:

You need Amrit to get Mukhti bro, there are plenty of Sakhis that prove that. Even in higher up realms, it takes a large amount of Spiritual Power and Kamai to be born human, let alone be born into a Sikhi family.

Even Devtas come into Sikh families to get Amrit and gain Mukhti. 

So you're saying only Sikhs, specifically Amritdharis can get Mukhti? 

[jkvlondon]

38 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

So you're saying only Sikhs, specifically Amritdharis can get Mukhti? 

and some more still say the incomplete kirpan pahul or karad pahul should only be allowed for women thus shutting down the pathway opened by Guru Nanak Dev ji to spiritual empowerment in this world and thus having no better status than hindu women or muslim women which begs the question 'where is the niaarapan' for the sikh women ???

[Kira]

1 hour ago, GurjantGnostic said:

So you're saying only Sikhs, specifically Amritdharis can get Mukhti? 

There's wisdom in every religion, all the prophets who came before Satguru Nanak Dev Ji can take their followers far...but not to Sach Khand. Only with the help of a Satguru can one reach God, and the only Satguru around (ever) has been th Shabad Guru in the form of Guru Granth Sahib Ji now.

 

 

[Sukhvirk1976]

5 minutes ago, Kira said:

There's wisdom in every religion, all the prophets who came before Satguru Nanak Dev Ji can take their followers far...but not to Sach Khand. Only with the help of a Satguru can one reach God, and the only Satguru around (ever) has been th Shabad Guru in the form of Guru Granth Sahib Ji now.

 

 

So by your own logic guru nanak dev ji didn't reach sach khand 

Lol

[GurjantGnostic]

The Amrit required, that I've read about so far doing sehajpaath, is the Amrit of the Naam. 

Total devotion, love and sacrifice to the One. Being absorbed into the light of the One. 

Humanity has been on earth a long time, Gurbani speaks of many many worlds and ages. All these beings have to be born a male sikh or they're out of luck?

 

[Kira]

30 minutes ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

So by your own logic guru nanak dev ji didn't reach sach khand 

Lol

Maybe go back and learn the concept of Sargun, Nirgun and how it interlinks with the Shabad. The fact that you don't seem to even know who or what Guru Nanak Dev Ji was is a sign of just how daft your attempts to seem reasonable are.

 

[N30S1NGH]

Sant gyani gurbachan singh bhindranwale points out five khands being are state of mind, fifth -sachkhand being turiya avastha and turiyatith avastha.

Now turiya avastha/turiya atith avastha are NOT a new term-exclusive to sikhs only, its ancient term which explains liberated being state of mind  which is mentioned/realized by ancient indic religions/literature/scriptures and saints. Just google turiya you will know what i mean.

 

 

Satguru also is not a new term, also new definition cannot be limited to sargun saroop of sri guru granth sahib ji as vaho vaho bani nirankar hai itself pointing towards universal Satguru- essence meaning of satguru and satguruparsad- Sat-eternal and Guru being- chaitan-pure universal consciouness Anand- Bliss- again same as ancient- Sat Chit Ananda.

Regarding amrit - Gurbani also takes us to ultimate meaning of amrit- which is inner amrit- Nau Nidhh Amrit prabh ka naaam, dehi meh iska bisram ||

Esoteric Amrit is also mentioned in indic literature-

asato ma sadgamaya
tamaso ma jyotirgamaya
mrtyorma amrtam gamaya
om shanti shanti shanti.

Lead me from the asat to the sat.
Lead me from darkness to light.
Lead me from death to immortality
Om Peace Peace Peace.

(Brhadaranyaka Upanishad — I.iii.28)

 

Time to open your mind aperture to vast expansive consciousness and smell the coffee, i know ego likes to have sense of security, oh i am amritdhari- i have automatic sachkhand express liberation card!

[Kira]

13 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

The Amrit required, that I've read about so far doing sehajpaath, is the Amrit of the Naam. 

Total devotion, love and sacrifice to the One. Being absorbed into the light of the One. 

 

of course Naam is required. But there was a reason why Charan Pahul was started, one can sit here and recite bani all we wish, but we require a Satguru to take us to God. Satguru is Akaal Purkh, by drinking their amrit we're becoming theirs and theirs alone.