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I dont believe in caste. But neverless being realistic person. We know what kind of problems this can cause. We all know that 99% of Parents want their child to marry someone of the same community/caste whatever you want to call it. 

What kind of problems can arise from inter caste marriages. 

Can it cause friction. With both families feeling uncomfortable with each other as they may have different way of doing things. 

Some issues are. 

Bhatra tend to be more conservative wheras jatt ramgaria let their girls go clubbing, wear revealing clothes and let their kids marry white and other races alot more. 

Anyone think it can work? and how would they feel if their offspring married someone of another caste. 

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3 hours ago, Big_Tera said:

wheras jatt ramgaria let their girls go clubbing, wear revealing clothes and let their kids marry white and other races alot more. 

Haha. Let them? Are you serious or deluded. No parents with an ounce of self worth grant them a green light into kanjar puna. 

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2 hours ago, InderjitS said:

 

 

Upon the editing by the above poster, I have withdrawn my comments. Everyone agrees caste has no place in Sikhi.

 

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There is no such thing as 'caste' in Punjabi culture. Even the word caste is not Punjabi. I have never heard a Punjabi using this word.

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21 minutes ago, Guest Busia Anda said:

There is no such thing as 'caste' in Punjabi culture. Even the word caste is not Punjabi. I have never heard a Punjabi using this word.

jaaat paat is the punjabi words for it , and yes it does exist for our hindu Punjabi bretheren and it has re-infected our faith too over the years since Guru Pita ji's joti jot ...In sikhi all are respected especially those who work with the sweat of their own brow to feed themselves and the unfortunate , in our history it is our soldiers , mothers and brothers the ordinary sikhs who are honoured not just the chiefs and kings .  There are no brahmin roles in sikhi as all are meant to develop their spirituality and be adept at reading gurbani, so brahmin politics such Manusmitri and power grabs are alien invaders  to sikh culture .

 

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9 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

jaaat paat is the punjabi words for it , and yes it does exist for our hindu Punjabi bretheren and it has re-infected our faith too over the years since Guru Pita ji's joti jot ...In sikhi all are respected especially those who work with the sweat of their own brow to feed themselves and the unfortunate , in our history it is our soldiers , mothers and brothers the ordinary sikhs who are honoured not just the chiefs and kings .  There are no brahmin roles in sikhi as all are meant to develop their spirituality and be adept at reading gurbani, so brahmin politics such Manusmitri and power grabs are alien invaders  to sikh culture .

 

Jaat paat is not the same as caste. In every race of people there are sub groups. This is a fact for all races on this planet. However in India, we view it through the lens of casteism which does not apply.

It's human nature, we prefer our own. With our own, we know what we are getting.

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21 hours ago, Guest Busia Anda said:

Jaat paat is not the same as caste. In every race of people there are sub groups. This is a fact for all races on this planet. However in India, we view it through the lens of casteism which does not apply.

It's human nature, we prefer our own. With our own, we know what we are getting.

In India it is used to trap millions into slave/serfdom to brahmins and Ksatriyas castes , I mean how is the accident of birth meant to dictate that the only thing you can do is manually clean sewers without safety equipment or protection, or catch rats I'm pretty sure Akal Purakh produce perfect humans who can do all things and have dignity not be beaten for requesting food , water or having their daughters mothers and sisters raped and killed because they dare to hold land and work it .

when somebody asks your jaat they mean something different than your profession ...that is clear from all matriomonial adverts ...so stop making out it doesn't exist , it does ...except for those who live truly as Gursikhs .

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2 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

In India it is used to trap millions into slave/serfdom to brahmins and Ksatriyas castes , I mean how is the accident of birth meant to dictate that the only thing you can do is manually clean sewers without safety equipment or protection, or catch rats I'm pretty sure Akal Purakh produce perfect humans who can do all things and have dignity not be beaten for requesting food , water or having their daughters mothers and sisters raped and killed because they dare to hold land and work it .

when somebody asks your jaat they mean something different than your profession ...that is clear from all matriomonial adverts ...so stop making out it doesn't exist , it does ...except for those who live truly as Gursikhs .

I'm not talking about India. I'm talking about Punjabis. This topic was started talking about Punjabi matrimonials and not 'Indian' matrimonials'. Do you understand the difference? What you have mentioned does not exist among Punjabi Sikhs. No Jatt, Saini, Ramgharia....will stop anyone from being anything they want to be. This is a fact. 

I did not deny different groups among Punjabis. Re read my earlier post. Everybody wants to marry their own. This is human nature. A Jatt is more comfortable with another Jatt just like Sainis and other groups.   

Ok why don't you educate us all and tell us what 'castes' do Bhatras, Ramgharias, Jatts.....all fall into? Who are the Brahmins, Khatris....etc,etc. Make sure to back it up with source and facts.

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5 hours ago, Guest Busia Anda said:

I'm not talking about India. I'm talking about Punjabis. This topic was started talking about Punjabi matrimonials and not 'Indian' matrimonials'. Do you understand the difference? What you have mentioned does not exist among Punjabi Sikhs. No Jatt, Saini, Ramgharia....will stop anyone from being anything they want to be. This is a fact. 

I did not deny different groups among Punjabis. Re read my earlier post. Everybody wants to marry their own. This is human nature. A Jatt is more comfortable with another Jatt just like Sainis and other groups.   

Ok why don't you educate us all and tell us what 'castes' do Bhatras, Ramgharias, Jatts.....all fall into? Who are the Brahmins, Khatris....etc,etc. Make sure to back it up with source and facts.

I agree for now it is not good to marry a person of different 'caste' just for the sake of it if this will provoke unhappiness for their parents.

Caste will likely dissipate in a few generations time anyway. 

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6 hours ago, Guest Busia Anda said:

I'm not talking about India. I'm talking about Punjabis. This topic was started talking about Punjabi matrimonials and not 'Indian' matrimonials'. Do you understand the difference? What you have mentioned does not exist among Punjabi Sikhs. No Jatt, Saini, Ramgharia....will stop anyone from being anything they want to be. This is a fact. 

I did not deny different groups among Punjabis. Re read my earlier post. Everybody wants to marry their own. This is human nature. A Jatt is more comfortable with another Jatt just like Sainis and other groups.   

Ok why don't you educate us all and tell us what 'castes' do Bhatras, Ramgharias, Jatts.....all fall into? Who are the Brahmins, Khatris....etc,etc. Make sure to back it up with source and facts.

I was  talking about matrimonials here in the west , maybe you haven't read des pardes or any of the websites ....

I am from supposedly a major jatt clan and whilst it is true only some of my family still maintain the ancestral farmlands the others have taken on other professions . What my farmer bretheren look for in a wife will differ from my urbanite professional ones and whilst it may be true some will put being jatt first e.g. farmer brothers it is more to do with lifestyle attitude and common knowledge  whereas some others will pick any wife due it not being as important as intellectual level/education . this does not mean the jaat doesn't exist or is not being used to discriminate  e.g. jatts and tarkans preventing mazhabi sikhs full access and respect in Gurdwarey in Punjab.

if they are not respected in a basic sikh manner then it is quite clear that there is not much chance of it in direct relations

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32 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

I was  talking about matrimonials here in the west , maybe you haven't read des pardes or any of the websites ....

I am from supposedly a major jatt clan and whilst it is true only some of my family still maintain the ancestral farmlands the others have taken on other professions . What my farmer bretheren look for in a wife will differ from my urbanite professional ones and whilst it may be true some will put being jatt first e.g. farmer brothers it is more to do with lifestyle attitude and common knowledge  whereas some others will pick any wife due it not being as important as intellectual level/education . this does not mean the jaat doesn't exist or is not being used to discriminate  e.g. jatts and tarkans preventing mazhabi sikhs full access and respect in Gurdwarey in Punjab.

if they are not respected in a basic sikh manner then it is quite clear that there is not much chance of it in direct relations

I am not here to argue on how Jatts behave. As I stated before Punjabis do not practice casteism like other communities in India and I stand corrected. Jatts don't have any state power so stop with your stupid nonsense on them having any power on any other Punjabis from other backgrounds. If you think you are not given due access to a Gurdwara, then create your own. No big deal. Jatts themselves do not get along hence Majha, Malwa, Doaba Jatts....Gurdwaras.

Stop acting like a professional victim and being dishonest. 

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2 hours ago, Guest Busia Anda said:

I am not here to argue on how Jatts behave. As I stated before Punjabis do not practice casteism like other communities in India and I stand corrected. Jatts don't have any state power so stop with your stupid nonsense on them having any power on any other Punjabis from other backgrounds. If you think you are not given due access to a Gurdwara, then create your own. No big deal. Jatts themselves do not get along hence Majha, Malwa, Doaba Jatts....Gurdwaras.

Stop acting like a professional victim and being dishonest. 

I don't know what prescription's you are on , but will say it needs reviewing asap ...you asked for examples of what I said and I spoke from direct experience not some academic tome ...I live in the real world  where the mazhabis are bullied by jatts (obviously you got the wrong end ) for being lower somehow . I and my family see humans just like us ...unlike some other families .

My sister married out of 'caste' and apart from her suss having very strange fixation on hindu customs nothing untoward has happened . She has dropped all the veham and bharams of her suss like wearing sindoor , refused to do charva chauth etc ...and did lordi for her daughter.

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Speaking of this Charva Chauth some Western Hindu Girls are getting the picture that this just BS. I know a Hindu family and asked the mother what her daughter thinks about this tradition. Daughter is grown up but not married yet. She told me that her daughter says this is false and that women are equal they are not slaves of their husbands. I am sure in the coming centuries we will see changes in Hinduism just as we are seeing in Sikhism. I am sure eventually India and Hindu existence will be vanished it will be like ancient Greece to Modern Greece and India will become a one Monolithic God. I am not sure why are we fighting for Khalistan. We are so far apart in so many things but there will change not from India but from the West.

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5 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

I don't know what prescription's you are on , but will say it needs reviewing asap ...you asked for examples of what I said and I spoke from direct experience not some academic tome ...I live in the real world  where the mazhabis are bullied by jatts (obviously you got the wrong end ) for being lower somehow . I and my family see humans just like us ...unlike some other families .

My sister married out of 'caste' and apart from her suss having very strange fixation on hindu customs nothing untoward has happened . She has dropped all the veham and bharams of her suss like wearing sindoor , refused to do charva chauth etc ...and did lordi for her daughter.

Your example is extremely poor and dishonest. Jatts don't have the power of state like Hindus so how are they 'bullying' anybody else? A Gurdwara is a private institution. If you feel you are not fairly represented in a Gurdwara, go create your own. Its that simple. Not being able to get along in a Gurdwara is not an example of casteism. Jatts themselves can't get along and create their own Gurdwara among themselves. Are they practicing casteism among themselves???? See how ridiculous your example is? Buddhists from different backgrounds ie Thai, Chinese, Sri Lankans....having their own separate temples. Are they practicing casteism?

You are desperately trying to frame Hindu castist behavior onto Jatts which does not apply. In other states there are real life examples whereby low castes can't hold government jobs. Show me an example of this in Punjab, I'm challenging you. You won't be able to to but you will continue being dishonest. Always a drama, always a lie.

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8 hours ago, Guest Busia Anda said:

Your example is extremely poor and dishonest. Jatts don't have the power of state like Hindus so how are they 'bullying' anybody else? A Gurdwara is a private institution. If you feel you are not fairly represented in a Gurdwara, go create your own. Its that simple. Not being able to get along in a Gurdwara is not an example of casteism. Jatts themselves can't get along and create their own Gurdwara among themselves. Are they practicing casteism among themselves???? See how ridiculous your example is? Buddhists from different backgrounds ie Thai, Chinese, Sri Lankans....having their own separate temples. Are they practicing casteism?

You are desperately trying to frame Hindu castist behavior onto Jatts which does not apply. In other states there are real life examples whereby low castes can't hold government jobs. Show me an example of this in Punjab, I'm challenging you. You won't be able to to but you will continue being dishonest. Always a drama, always a lie.

bro it is the cheat who goes around accusing others , so perhaps you are the dishonest one, also I suspect you are a jatt that's why you stomach is buring from the truth I recognise in my ancestral caste ... I can admit the truth and decide to act against it unlike yourself who shuts his eyes like a crane feigning placidity.

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