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Do we kill or keep the 5 vices? - Lust, Anger, Greed, Attachment, Pride, Panj chor

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Great video, very beautifully explained. Just to add, its our clinging to thoughts,  mind in ignorance gives birth to five vices. No clinging, no pushing or grasping thoughts =  no fragmentation of thoughts = no vices eventually giving into Achaal morat anubhav parkash amitoj khijaie , our real being(atma-pure being awareness) naturally is in sehaj- equilibrium state , once it takes full center stage its realized, then atma  expresses itself in non fragmented way where these concepts/relative reality- 5 vices doesn't exist. But if one wants to break down for understanding purposes- anger is transformed into bir ras, lust energy is transformed into creative energy, greed and attachment into de-attachment, ego is transformed from body/mind identified focalized consciousness dies into infinite consciousness/awareness without any separation with absolute reality. 

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The way daas understands it is that the “5 evils” are just manifestations of Ego, which is the root cause. To kill the leaves, one must kill the root, ego, or else the leaves will keep coming back. 

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Killing them would render any human unable to function. You rein them in, as you would a wild horse, so that YOU control them not the other way round.

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We kill the 5 evils and become brahmgyani...well that's the highest aim and greatest achievement and aiming towards it is the purpose of life 

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5 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Killing them would render any human unable to function. You rein them in, as you would a wild horse, so that YOU control them not the other way round.

This is how I understand it as well. They reduce significantly but are not completely obliterated.

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6 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Killing them would render any human unable to function. You rein them in, as you would a wild horse, so that YOU control them not the other way round.

It would convert, for example krodh will become bir raas, lust would become pyar for the world etc

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17 minutes ago, Singh123456777 said:

It would convert, for example krodh will become bir raas, lust would become pyar for the world etc

Kaam - Pyaar (or desire for Akaal)

Krodh - Daya (and Bir Ras)

Lobh - Santokh

Moh - attachment to Naam?

Hankaar - Nimrata

 

All of the above is collectively Sat? Or maybe Sat is opposite of hankaar because that is the ultimate truth - no duality?

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7 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Killing them would render any human unable to function. You rein them in, as you would a wild horse, so that YOU control them not the other way round.

Only for the weak minded. The origin of all is without ego, as long as the ego exists of course the 5 Evils will exist. Bani clearly talks about killing the Ego, it doesn’t tell you to hold on. 

 

 

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35 minutes ago, TheeTurbanator said:

Only for the weak minded. The origin of all is without ego, as long as the ego exists of course the 5 Evils will exist. Bani clearly talks about killing the Ego, it doesn’t tell you to hold on. 

Let's not try to fly before we can even dream of crawling. For 99.9% of people aspiring to follow Sikhi to the letter, killing Ego is an abstract and unfathomable concept. How many people do you know that have destroyed all trace of Ego within themselves? It's not impossible if Gurbani prescribes it's true, but humanity isn't perfect. Control is the first step, and for most people, the last. You may call it weak minded; I call it being realistic and not over-reaching.  

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It doesn’t matter, killing the ego is still the end goal of a Sikh, and without it, one cannot become one with the One. 

Its at least better to accept the endgame of a Sikh (to kill the ego) rather than to create excuses to justify it. It’s ok if a person isn’t a saint as they start off, but that’s still something they work towards. 

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3 minutes ago, TheeTurbanator said:

It doesn’t matter, killing the ego is still the end goal of a Sikh, and without it, one cannot become one with the One. 

Its at least better to accept the endgame of a Sikh (to kill the ego) rather than to create excuses to justify it. It’s ok if a person isn’t a saint as they start off, but that’s still something they work towards. 

I agree, it's something to work towards. 

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13 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

I agree, it's something to work towards. 

It’s something we all need to work towards 🙏

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10 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Killing them would render any human unable to function. You rein them in, as you would a wild horse, so that YOU control them not the other way round.

What will we use to control the five vices?  There is nothing that we have to control them.  If you think we have Gurbani.  That is a wrong thought because Gurbani does kirpa on those who let go of "we can control" and "you can control them" or "I can control them".  Satguru controls them and kills them.  The heat of these cool down when we realization there is no we, you, or I and only him through accepting Guru Sahib as our protector and guide only. Gurbani says you can shut off the world but the 5 vices will still control you.  Buddha tried to control them and he failed miserably every time.  Gurbani says, go to the Guru and accept his teachings and the mind will be soothed.

Killing them would render anyone to live as a gurmukh.  The Gurus and bhagats had killed the 5 vices.  Yet they still functioned.  

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