Ramgharia Gurudwara Leeds doing Hindu Vishwakarma rituals

[MrDoaba]

9 minutes ago, ipledgeblue said:

It's strange that they call themselves Ramgharia sikhs but do more tarkhan/lohaar/carpentar rituals.

Did Ramgharia misl actually do these rituals?

It's also strange that it's also "Ramgharia" sikhs easily recognizable with their surnames are the forefront of the "you shouldn't believe in caste" argument and yet they do all this caste and separate gurdwara stuff?

Come on, you're being controversial now haha. You clearly know it's a matter of semantics.

Your last point has some truth.

[Kira]

2 hours ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

One thing I dont want Sikhs to do is become like muslim Idol breakers nor like Christians destroy the culture of the people. Muslim invaders destroyed beautiful art and temples because fear of idol worship. They forced ppl to convert and these ppl instead added their own version to islam of worshipping ancestors, graves, pirs etc.. Education is better than force. People will leave the idols themselves or turn them.into art. 

Visvhwakarma has been part of the craft/laborers culture for a long time. Many carpenters pray to him before starting any work. Sadly even some sikhs. However I also know carpenter Sikhs that have replaced the mangal to viswakarma with benti to satguru. 

Also many sikhs have not given up caste names, caste pride, nor caste identity lorhi, bhangra, preference for male sons. And other cultural practices and some are against the teachings of sikhi, yet we expect other ppl to promptly do so. And try to force them to do it now.

Also i just thought of a solution to the caste problem. We need to keep last names or at least know them. So we know our family history and background and dont marry people with same last names. But we could try not to teach our kids or tell other people what caste we are. Also most kids find it hard to tell  someones caste from a last name unless the last name is common. But other castes especially in india are adoptig those common high caste names..lol. its possible casteism will be eradicated esp in the west as ppl will have to just take a person word that yes im this caste.

 

That was already a thing, Guru Ji told us to remember our family name and that's it. Only for marriage purposes.

[InderjitS]

Have they been pesh?

[MrDoaba]

2 minutes ago, InderjitS said:

Have they been pesh?

Lolllllll!!

Benti - please stop taking all the pesh jokes. Share...it's the Sikh way.

[InderjitS]

2 minutes ago, MrDoaba said:

Lolllllll!!

Benti - please stop taking all the pesh jokes. Share...it's the Sikh way.

I wasnt taking the pesh?

[InderjitS]

I like the way most of the men are at the back thinking wt* is going here, they look just as perplexed as I 

[N30S1NGH]

This is no different than jatts worshipping their ancestors and shaheeds and having jot thaal to invoke shaheed spirits(good spirits) during patt.  All are somewhat at the border line ritualistic as best. I agree they need to be educated to raise their surti from deity worship to all prevading Satguru- Pure True Consciousness/Awareness-Chetan saroop.

[jkvlondon]

16 hours ago, N30S1NGH said:

This is no different than jatts worshipping their ancestors and shaheeds and having jot thaal to invoke shaheed spirits(good spirits) during patt.  All are somewhat at the border line ritualistic as best. I agree they need to be educated to raise their surti from deity worship to all prevading Satguru- Pure True Consciousness/Awareness-Chetan saroop.

my elders usually do gurbani  paat and then sewa of five gursikhs and navin pohshaki in the name of shaheedan for those Singh so I guess they change their ways to gursikh ways fully , no jethare or stuff like that .

[simran345]

4 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

navin pohshaki in the name of shaheedan for those Singh

Penji, what is this, I can’t figure out what it means ? 

[MrDoaba]

4 minutes ago, simran345 said:

Penji, what is this, I can’t figure out what it means ? 

Offerings I think. Like poshakeh. Kapre and such.