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23 hours ago, Guest Jagsaw_Singh said:

Asian families from all over the UK would visit Southall to see a film at the Dominion and as soon as it was over they'd feel like buying the record

The main cinema was the palace on South Road with the Chinese exterior. It would be packed to the rafters every time a new flick was released. It died a death with the advent of VHS and everyone including us were renting bootleg vids from the myriad shops that popped up. The cinemas demise was a sad one, in the 80's it was converted into tiny stalls, a meat/fish market - boy did that stench, clothing and ironically multiple film rental units.  The Afghanis adopted the same model by going one step further and dividing and standard retail floor space in to a gazillion shops selling cheap tat from China at inflated prices to the many visitors who still marvel at Southall. The buzz of the place diminished massively once the mainly Sikh owned shops started disappearing to be replaced with large Pakistani owned restaurants and then the already mentioned Afghan influx. The parking restrictions did not help either!

 

 

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15 minutes ago, InderjitS said:

The main cinema was the palace on South Road with the Chinese exterior. It would be packed to the rafters every time a new flick was released. It died a death with the advent of VHS and everyone including us were renting bootleg vids from the myriad shops that popped up. The cinemas demise was a sad one, in the 80's it was converted into tiny stalls, a meat/fish market - boy did that stench, clothing and ironically multiple film rental units.  The Afghanis adopted the same model by going one step further and dividing and standard retail floor space in to a gazillion shops selling cheap tat from China at inflated prices to the many visitors who still marvel at Southall. The buzz of the place diminished massively once the mainly Sikh owned shops started disappearing to be replaced with large Pakistani owned restaurants and then the already mentioned Afghan influx. The parking restrictions did not help either!

 

 

Sad. The Southall of today is not the Sikh Southall of the 50',60's, 70's and early 80's.

So who's to blame ?    The answer is people like my family mostly. Like all the old famililies we got out of Southall but kept our property there as a rental investment. That showed we had no social responsibility. My family, like all the other Sikh families that left, profited from Southall becoming a rental hotbed rather than a family hotbed, by renting our properties to undesirables. Let's get this straight : The Sikhs of Southall - my family included - are responsible for the demise of Sikh Southall. And that's both sad and shamefull.   The other reason is the existence of the infamous Thorncliffe Hotel in North Hyde Lane on the Southall / Heston border in the 1980's. That massive rat infested building with hundreds and hundreds of rooms was the main housing post for all Somalian refugees that arrived in the early 1980's. The owner was a Sikh. Because London's premier housing post was in Southall....Southall got them.

On a more lighter note though :) the cinema you mentioned on South Road. Southall had 3 iIndian ones in it's heyday: The Dominion, The Century and The Liberty. Was the chinese architecture one the liberty or the century ???

 

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1 hour ago, InderjitS said:

The main cinema was the palace on South Road with the Chinese exterior. It would be packed to the rafters every time a new flick was released. It died a death with the advent of VHS and everyone including us were renting bootleg vids from the myriad shops that popped up. The cinemas demise was a sad one, in the 80's it was converted into tiny stalls, a meat/fish market - boy did that stench, clothing and ironically multiple film rental units.  The Afghanis adopted the same model by going one step further and dividing and standard retail floor space in to a gazillion shops selling cheap tat from China at inflated prices to the many visitors who still marvel at Southall. The buzz of the place diminished massively once the mainly Sikh owned shops started disappearing to be replaced with large Pakistani owned restaurants and then the already mentioned Afghan influx. The parking restrictions did not help either!

 

 

The Afghanis do have that habit of subdividing retail stores into a cheap market. 

I tend to avoid Southall and have not been there for several years. 

Is it true that they are cleaning up Southall. I heard that those Somali Shops near the dominion (that parade of shops opposite the 15th century manor house ) are gone.  My memory is a bit hazy.

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1 hour ago, Guest Jagsaw_Singh said:

On a more lighter note though :) the cinema you mentioned on South Road. Southall had 3 iIndian ones in it's heyday: The Dominion, The Century and The Liberty. Was the chinese architecture one the liberty or the century ???

That was the Liberty but they only showed Indian films from '72.

When the first Star Wars movie came out, we actually walked all the way to Hayes, a perilous journey considering the racial climate, to the Cinema on Uxbridge Road. I think that is now a Mecca Bingo.

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2 hours ago, InderjitS said:

Going there tomorrow hopefully will report back, if the pedestrian access is not closed the car one from that side will be.

It's been closed to traffic for over a decade at least. But I thought it was always open to the public.

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That was the Liberty but they only showed Indian films from '72.

Which means The Century must be the one that went on to become that Jamaican nightclub, the Tudor Rose:

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Let's go on a magical photo journey :) 

The white martyr from New Zealand, who gave his life for us on the streets of Southall at the hands of the brutal police. His coffin laid at the foyer of The Dominion cinema and it was reported that "8000 Sikhs of Southall attended his funeral". Here's his coffin being taken out of the cinema:

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Blair Peach's body as it was taken through Southall:

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After Gurdip Singh Chaggar was stabbed to death by racists from the National Front right opposite The Dominion our community was angry.....very angry. The police were going to pay for their indifference:

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Southall, in 1976, telling the world that every racist murder will be avenged by the people of Southall:

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Our uncles and aunties fighting with the police during the 1979 riots against the NF:

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1981: The skinhead pub in Southall our boys burn't to the ground after fighting all night battles with the police:

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When we were strong....was when we all stuck together and fought together:

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But let's end the photo essay how we started...in homage to Southall's first martyr: Gurdip Singh Chaggar:

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On 2/9/2018 at 2:00 PM, InderjitS said:

Thanks for sharing, recognise at least one auntie in that pic, was a regular at Havelock..

It's the story of Southall Inderjit and while for most of the UK Sikhs Southall has simply always been a place to do some shopping for us old skool Southall families it was always about being in the frontline of agitation, fighting, arguing and revolution. Agitation is part of our DNA.

A couple of years ago I had an argument...well, not an argument as such but an adult discussion with a well known 'sant' from Punjab on one his tours of England. He said...as parcharaks always do.....that "arguing is pointless". I pointed out to him that everything we have today has come from arguing and fighting. In Utopia, sure....arguing is for fools....but this is the real world.  Our first Race Relations Act only came about because of the fighting....our equal pay only came about by fighting for it.........our right to be here and not be 'repatriated' only came about because our mums and dads fought running street battles with the police. The popular facist movement in the UK (skinheads) only died a sudden death here and went abroad after our youths fought them and the police all night and petrol bombed them out of existence. Radical, left wing agitation is part of the psyche of the old skool Southall people. It's part of who we are.  When brown and blacks in the UK were fed up with the direction the Labour Party wsa going and formed the later banned 'Black Section' of the party it was Southall they chose to launch it because Southall was considered the hotbed of agitation for rights. If you read old news articles from the late 70's early 70's they talk about what they refer to as the 'black panthers' of Britain : the Southall Youth Movement. In those articles they state that police in central London are becoming increasingly concerned because youths from Southall (Sikhs) are travelling to the west end each day (around Picadilly Circus and Leicester Square) just to 'bash up' (mash up) white people. When Southall said racist murders would be avenged these wern't just words. Fighting and violence is part of the DNA of old skool Southall. For revenge, they would travel to the centre of the world (picadilly circus) and beat up random white people. We've been arguing, agitating and fighting...on everybody's behalf, for 60 years. It's a fundamental part of who I am.

1976:

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1979:

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1979:

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1981:

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1979:

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1976:

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Agitation...Agitation...Agitation; it's part of our DNA in Southall

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Southall shows solidarity with the brave Gujaratis at Grunwick:

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1970's: Southall's message to Enoch Powell:

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Southall Sikhs bring the road to a standstill after another of our youths was killed:

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1976:

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Anyday and everyday 1970's Southall:

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Southall Black Sisters :

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55 minutes ago, Guest Jagsaw_Singh said:

It's the story of Southall Inderjit and while for most of the UK Sikhs Southall has simply always been a place to do some shopping for us old skool Southall families it was always about being in the frontline of agitation, fighting, arguing and revolution. Agitation is part of our DNA.

A couple of years ago I had an argument...well, not an argument as such but an adult discussion with a well known 'sant' from Punjab on one his tours of England. He said...as parcharaks always do.....that "arguing is pointless". I pointed out to him that everything we have today has come from arguing and fighting. In Utopia, sure....arguing is for fools....but this is the real world.  Our first Race Relations Act only came about because of the fighting....our equal pay only came about by fighting for it.........our right to be here and not be 'repatriated' only came about because our mums and dads fought running street battles with the police. The popular facist movement in the UK (skinheads) only died a sudden death here and went abroad after our youths fought them and the police all night and petrol bombed them out of existence. Radical, left wing agitation is part of the psyche of the old skool Southall people. It's part of who we are.  When brown and blacks in the UK were fed up with the direction the Labour Party wsa going and formed the later banned 'Black Section' of the party it was Southall they chose to launch it because Southall was considered the hotbed of agitation for rights. If you read old news articles from the late 70's early 70's they talk about what they refer to as the 'black panthers' of Britain : the Southall Youth Movement. In those articles they state that police in central London are becoming increasingly concerned because youths from Southall (Sikhs) are travelling to the west end each day (around Picadilly Circus and Leicester Square) just to 'bash up' (mash up) white people. When Southall said racist murders would be avenged these wern't just words. Fighting and violence is part of the DNA of old skool Southall. For revenge, they would travel to the centre of the world (picadilly circus) and beat up random white people. We've been arguing, agitating and fighting...on everybody's behalf, for 60 years. It's a fundamental part of who I am.

1976:

00106886.jpg

1976:

00057057.jpg

1979:

article-0-00F63D3B00000191-510_468x310.j

1979:

apr-04-1979-one-dies-and-many-injured-in

 

1981:

southall-riots-G8H3YG.jpg

 

1979:

DSCF7038.jpg

1976:

6038879011_7b973fd216_o_0.jpg?itok=l47la

 

southall.jpg

 

race_riots_news.jpg

southall-riots-G8H3YK.jpg

 

Agitation...Agitation...Agitation; it's part of our DNA in Southall

SYMphotoweb.jpg?resize=560,416

Southall shows solidarity with the brave Gujaratis at Grunwick:

grunwick.jpg?w=500

 

1970's: Southall's message to Enoch Powell:

southall.jpg

article-0-00F63D3200000191-353_468x307.j

 

Southall Sikhs bring the road to a standstill after another of our youths was killed:

southall-youth-picket2-2.jpg

 

1976:

aym_003b.jpg

 

Anyday and everyday 1970's Southall:

3745.jpg

 

Southall Black Sisters :

SBS-24.jpg

 

Sharia-wills.png

Brave and Gujerati are not two words you would put together normally. 

My dad got caught up in the riots.

Beating up goreh wasn't a thing only in the 1970's, it was happening in the 60's as well.

My dad in the 1960's was a Featherstone boy and he used to go to fight some of the white boys in Dormers Wells. 

Being jumped by 7-8 white boys was not unusual. 

Even my grandfather's generation were not particularly passive either.  They were a hard working, hard drinking and hard living bunch. My grandfather and his cousins got into many alterations  (they used to play hockey and those sticks came in handy.)

Though my dad was not a big fan of the Southall Black Sisters,  he thought they were a bunch of trouble makers. 

That was a different era and different type of people. That was in the days when there used to be a community spirit. 

 

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Brave and Gujerati are not two words you would put together normally. 

Yeah I agree not normally Ranjeet but what those brave Hindu Gujarati aunties did on behalf of all of us people of colour back in the 1970's was more than just brave....it is simply awe inspiring.  Our mums, as they worked in the factories, were paid less than the white women working alongside them because their brown skins were not deemed worthy of deserving equal pay as a human. Those Gujarati aunties came out in strike in protest. They had the support of nobody and nothing other than their own hearts and conscience which convinced them it was the right thing to do. In the early days of our grandparents / parents life it was the unions who were the most racist and so these aunties had no support from the union. They picketed the factory every day alone, and each and every day faced abuse from racists and violence from the police. Day after day, week after week, month and after month this went on. Every day they picketed alone and happily faced the violence. After being alone out there for a whole year the conscience of the whole country woke up. Every right thinking person in the country suddenly felt ashamed that they had let these women face all this alone. From that day onwrds, each morning, cars and buses would arrive from Liverpool, Leeds, Hull, Glasgow, Birmingham, Exeter..all over the UK. First a 100 people joined the aunties in solidarity. Next day it was 1000. By the end of the week police estimated that 20,000 people were arriving each day to stand alongside the aunties. With this awesome momentum they eventually won.....on behalf of all of our mothers. So yes....these Gujaratis were awesomely brave.

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Beating up goreh wasn't a thing only in the 1970's, it was happening in the 60's as well.

Oh yes I know but what I'm talking about is specific articles that started to appear in the London Evening Standard and London Evening News regarding gangs of 'Sikhs from Southall' deliberately travelling from Ealing Brodway to Central London each day for 'white bashing' days out.

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Though my dad was not a big fan of the Southall Black Sisters,  he thought they were a bunch of trouble makers

Yes I know that is the common (probably majority) view among most Sikhs but I've always been of the opinion that I, as a man, have absolutely no right to tell a female how she should be feeling about an issue, such as domestic violence. They feel it...so they know it...so much better than me. Southall Black Sisters don't claim to fight on behalf of me and you. They fight militantly and aggressively on behalf of women and I salute any group that shows that kind of passion.

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3 hours ago, Guest Jagsaw_Singh said:

for us old skool Southall families it was always about being in the frontline of agitation, fighting, arguing and revolution. Agitation is part of our DNA.

Yep, massive respect to them considering Police brutality and racism in the force was at it's peak yet the Punjabi's remained steadfast and resolute in their guiding principals from back home. 

3 hours ago, Guest Jagsaw_Singh said:

The popular facist movement in the UK (skinheads) only died a sudden death here and went abroad after our youths fought them and the police all night and petrol bombed them out of existence.

Following the 81 riots when the mostly Sikhs/Punjabis with backup from Blacks who arrived in coaches from Acton/Brixton to destroy the psyche of the racist NF heading to Southall from Hayes Bridge (incidentally where the Hamborough Tavern was set alight) and from  notorious Northolt, the NF's stronghold went into decline. 

The organisation and bravery shown by our fathers and uncles during the riots was a pivotal moment, the NF began to move out of Hayes from the mid 80's and by the 90s the surrounding areas which were previously no go for Asians were less toxic and racial attacks reduced massively.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Guest Jagsaw_Singh said:

Yeah I agree not normally Ranjeet but what those brave Hindu Gujarati aunties did on behalf of all of us people of colour back in the 1970's was more than just brave....it is simply awe inspiring.  Our mums, as they worked in the factories, were paid less than the white women working alongside them because their brown skins were not deemed worthy of deserving equal pay as a human. Those Gujarati aunties came out in strike in protest. They had the support of nobody and nothing other than their own hearts and conscience which convinced them it was the right thing to do. In the early days of our grandparents / parents life it was the unions who were the most racist and so these aunties had no support from the union. They picketed the factory every day alone, and each and every day faced abuse from racists and violence from the police. Day after day, week after week, month and after month this went on. Every day they picketed alone and happily faced the violence. After being alone out there for a whole year the conscience of the whole country woke up. Every right thinking person in the country suddenly felt ashamed that they had let these women face all this alone. From that day onwrds, each morning, cars and buses would arrive from Liverpool, Leeds, Hull, Glasgow, Birmingham, Exeter..all over the UK. First a 100 people joined the aunties in solidarity. Next day it was 1000. By the end of the week police estimated that 20,000 people were arriving each day to stand alongside the aunties. With this awesome momentum they eventually won.....on behalf of all of our mothers. So yes....these Gujaratis were awesomely brave.

Oh yes I know but what I'm talking about is specific articles that started to appear in the London Evening Standard and London Evening News regarding gangs of 'Sikhs from Southall' deliberately travelling from Ealing Brodway to Central London each day for 'white bashing' days out.

Yes I know that is the common (probably majority) view among most Sikhs but I've always been of the opinion that I, as a man, have absolutely no right to tell a female how she should be feeling about an issue, such as domestic violence. They feel it...so they know it...so much better than me. Southall Black Sisters don't claim to fight on behalf of me and you. They fight militantly and aggressively on behalf of women and I salute any group that shows that kind of passion.

Those Gujerati women should be commended. Though it does feel very uncharacteristic. 

Our bibian were magnificent according to my dad. From his recollection, our bibian linked arms to form a chain around the gurdwarae so that they were protected. 

Some of our "community leaders" the uncles were sh****ng their pants hiding in the gurdwarae. 

If you remember that there used to be a show on Channel 4 called the Bandung Files,  I do recall seeing footage on the riots where a bazurg had an NF guy in a headlock and proceeded to punch the NF guy in the head.

There was great bravery and some great cowardice with some of our uncles. 

I do not know much about the black sisters, I never got to question my dad on his opinion. 

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