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Problem with my Guru Ghar's Committee right now

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Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.

Sangat Ji I’m going through a very weird situation right now with my Guru Ghar, I’ve been taking an interest in a lot of Bani as of late so I’ve been doing my own Khoj of it. I’ve listened to Katha, read Teekas and also did my own interpretations of it (all in line with Gurmat as I take nearly all of it from Taksal). Our Guru Ghar is very nice and the atmosphere is good as well, the people are very friendly too. So I wanted to start doing Katha of the Bani I had learned and the arths of it.

Currently there is already a Gursikh doing Katha of another bani but he will most likely need to go do Kaatha elsewhere, so I offered up my services to the Guru Ghar as I was really excited to do something worthwhile. I can talk about Bani all day and I would love the opportunity, I asked the head of the committee about it and he refused to let me, I asked why and he explained it to as thus.

He said that since I shave my beard (which is true, I do but I would like to add I used to shave it once a week but now I do it nearly every 2 months and im slowly letting it grow and will keep it soon) it projects a bad image and that the sangat would start attacking the Guru Ghar over allowing someone like me to do Katha, which I find really startling as they allow moni to do Kirtan within Guru Ghar and I have seen many moni brothers doing some sort of katha (history wise) before, he cited Mika Singh who did a shabad at a Smagam and how the Sangat got angry at him over it. I did some googling and found the man was involved in all sorts of weird stuff (kissing, groping etc) and I see why the Sangat was upset, but the head was using this as a means of saying that the sangat don’t want people who shave or don’t have kesh to do anything like katha.

I feel really discouraged by this as I was really keen and excited about it, I get his logic but I wanted to ask if the Sangat here agreed with it. I get im not the ideal person but I just want to share what I have learnt.

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SangatJi I forgot to add, the bani i was going to do Katha on wasn't about Rehit at all and I do keep Kesh on my head.

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Avoid upsetting the sangat at all costs. If you can do parchar then you can have a saabat surat as well. Imagine kesatari starting to trim just because you the parcharak does. Don't let this hold you back. We do need good parcharaks. esp with long beards. 

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Yeyeye look the part,look like a good person but be black inside. Is that all we seek? "Sikh" looking people. We focus so much in appearance we have let snakes on stage.

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1 hour ago, Guest Apperance only said:

Yeyeye look the part,look like a good person but be black inside. Is that all we seek? "Sikh" looking people. We focus so much in appearance we have let snakes on stage.

The type of sikhi you want I

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is practiced by nirankaris. No kesh eat meat recite whatever shabad whatever bani no parkash and no rules. Just pray to God however.  No Guru either. 

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1 hour ago, Guest Apperance only said:

Yeyeye look the part,look like a good person but be black inside. Is that all we seek? "Sikh" looking people. We focus so much in appearance we have let snakes on stage.

I heard that a persons image is the reflection of their inside.. Just as a tall thick tree full of leaves is seen as healthy cuz it is healthy from the inside, similarly a person healthy inside would have it shown at the outside, especially when it comes to dharam. This look is a gift from guru ji, my friend. If a sikh is paunchaya they will at least have kesh and stay away from the 4 main kurehits. bhull chuk maaf

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This is entire thread is an example of why alot of moni are turning away from Sikhi

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6 minutes ago, Kira said:

This is entire thread is an example of why alot of moni are turning away from Sikhi

Sanatan Sikhi will always have a place for them. :grin

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1 minute ago, monatosingh said:

Sanatan Sikhi just like how they did it back in the good ol' days.

 

Jai Sanatan Sikhi di!

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10 minutes ago, MrDoaba said:

Sanatan Sikhi will always have a place for them. :grin

lol.

But in all seriousness you guys have people who know more about  Sikhi than proper keshdhari Sikhs, rather than chastising them for being moni (which could be down to ALOT of reasons out of their control) maybe learn from them and let them do something inspiring Sikhi related. Like if Moni cant do Katha now should we stop them doing Kirtan in Gurudwaras, lets stop them doing sewa of any kind too. 

Where do we draw the line? 

its all fine and dandy looking up to Sikhs with Kesh but atleast some of the moni aren't systemtically dismantling Sikh theology like say Ranjit Singh Ji.

Until we actually get the numbers to do things like they did in the good ol days, we need to make adjustments.

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3 minutes ago, Kira said:

lol.

But in all seriousness you guys have people who know more about  Sikhi than proper keshdhari Sikhs, rather than chastising them for being moni (which could be down to ALOT of reasons out of their control) maybe learn from them and let them do something inspiring Sikhi related. Like if Moni cant do Katha now should we stop them doing Kirtan in Gurudwaras, lets stop them doing sewa of any kind too. 

Where do we draw the line? 

its all fine and dandy looking up to Sikhs with Kesh but atleast some of the moni aren't systemtically dismantling Sikh theology like say Ranjit Singh Ji.

Until we actually get the numbers to do things like they did in the good ol days, we need to make adjustments.

What I'm about to say in not in hankaar, just fact. I was one of those mone, granted I didn't have the skills or knowledge to do katha but I had a deep desire for Sikhi and I knew a decent amount for a beginner. Being pushed away didn't necessarily harm me, it harmed the Panth though (no I'm not saying I'm some Panth Rattan). Some people will never truly know what one experiences being a mona who's interested in Sikhi. There's a saying which is used by people who have addictions and are in recovery: "Talking with people who don't have first hand knowlegde of addiction is much akin to showing a dog a card trick...", the logic behind the quote can sometimes be compared to the experience of mone. You are judged on appearance alone and peoples preconceived notions that by being a mona you're showing disloyalty to the panth. Which is ridiculous. There are plenty of mone who have love for Sikhi, who are we judge them and guilt trip them. With Maharaaj Kirpa they'll keep their kes when the time is right.

I can't say where we should draw the line but there needs to be some reform, that's for sure.

Simply have kes doesn't mean jack in Kalyug. I really think kes is pointless if there isn't any prem for Sikhi because in most instances one only decides to keep their kes after something heartfelt, not guilt or expectations.

Parents keeping the kes of kids is a different story, that should be encouraged.

 

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