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A amritdhari in this case jagmeet Singh always has loyalty to Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji before anyone else in this world.  So politically jagmeet Singh holds his loyalty to rehat before any political agenda in Canada or party.  He stood strong and ties a dastar, wears his kakkar and sticks up for Sikhs. 

Now coming to the topic at hand.  Jagmeet Singh engaged to a girl who is not amritdhari. Taksal, sant Maskeen Singh ji katha, and Hazoori rehat were brought up to promote jagmeet Singh decision to be okay with Sikhi. This miserably failed because the first two didn't apply and the last point was shown to be manmat.  Now it has come to, you can't get between jagmeet Singh and his fiance and the Guru. The Guru has spoken on who a amritdhari is to marry.  The Sangat has took this advise and applied it to jagmeet singh's choice.  The choice is wrong.  The sangat pointing this out has bothered many people.   Gursikhs and sikhs love to hear the rehat of Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji.  They praise the rehat but here the sangat who expresses the rehat are being subject to nindiya and chugli.  This truly speaks to the mindset of these people.  These people are not satisfied with the Guru's rehat.  Gurbani says to be content with the Guru's teachings.  

Jagmeet Singh falling in love with a non amritdhari girl is like getting drunk on Fridays and going to the Gurdwara on Saturday night with kakkar and Bana.  Alcohol has its benefits like rubbing alcohol for clean wounds.  However you wouldn't take that alcohol and drink it to poison the mind as Gurbani warns us against.  Hence the sangat, jagmeet singh future wife who is engrossed in maya (her character is displayed on social media for all to see) and will be spending a lot of time with is not approved by Gurbani. In passing we meet many people in the world who are engrossed in maya.  Simple conversations are had and we move on.  We don't force our views on them.  If they ask about Sikh, we are more than happy to explain.

Jagmeet Singh has made a huge mistake on selecting a nonamritdhari for a marriage partner. He should have followed his Guru's teachings on such a big decision in life.  I hope the youth don't see this choice and make it as something they want to do as well. Instead the youth should look to the Guru and don't be fooled by the false show of isolated links and messages many people place all over the internet.  There is a lot of false information being presented.  

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Sorry to break this to you but if you don't know Jagmeet personally how you can judge him? Afterall, all you know is the 'image' portrayed of him. For all politicians (and rising ones) this image is carefully nurtured by a political party machine. They get media training, coaching the whole shabang, so in effect they become like actors in a role. Would you vote for Jamie foxx because he played the US president in 'White house down'? What politcians say and don't say in public is governed by what their advisors tell them will appeal to voters they want. If Politicians could make a difference, how come after almost 100 years since universal suffrage in places like Canada, UK, US etc, they are still not amazing utopias, even though every politician who seeks office promises a better tomorrow, then 4-5 yrs later after winning power, the next person comes along and offers a better tomorrow, because society has got worse. There is a 'system' and the system continues despite the different faces on the puppets in office 

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3 hours ago, imhosingh said:

Sorry to break this to you but if you don't know Jagmeet personally how you can judge him? Afterall, all you know is the 'image' portrayed of him.  

Jagmeet Singh is engaged to a nonamritdhari. He displayed this information for everyone to see. His fiance also displayed this for everyone to see.  Its a not a rumour.  This is factual.  Based on this information the sangat has been presented with what the Guru's teachings are on his choice for a marriage partner. There is no judgement made here.  Instead you are distorting others writing here to push your opinion on others who disagree.  Its called doing chugli.  You also seem upset by the Guru's teachings being presented here.  Do you want to tell us why, so the doubt you have in the Guru may be cleared.

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21 hours ago, Akalifauj said:

Now go back and delete the slander you directed at jkvlondon by saying she feels a certain way.  Its blatantly obviously you are making fun of her.  

He likes to accuse posters of being a troll, like a little child, but then says: "Islam is a beautiful religion, and the teachings of the Prophet Mohammed are quite good." and "If there was not truth in Islam Guru Nanak Ji would not have had anything to do with muslims."

Does anyone else find that hypocritical? He doesn't seem to think so.

When someone disagrees with his outlandish views, he quickly edits them, sometimes using a pretentious and weak excuse of "My previous posts are preserved for posterity" in order to save face and probably gain sympathy/understanding from other posters. This is to prevent a ban and continue his trolling on sikhsangat.com. The fact is that they weren't "preserved" for anyone, they were rightly highlighted then proven wrong because of its nonsense.

He is such a hypocrite, as mentioned before, but, also, a troll and not to be taken seriously on these boards.

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Awe guest Singhs feelings are still hurt. Bring it in for a hug ji. 

For the record I was quoting what I had learned academically about Islam. Members of the board encouraged me to read the quaran to back up what I said. I then read the quaran and realized I couldn't back up when I had heard academically so I retracted my posts that I could no longer stand by. The originals are still quoted so I'm  not hiding anything, just not standing by my original statements. 

There are definitely trolls here. I'm not one of them but in your opinion I am. That's cool. You'll get over it some day brother man. 

To confused face. Some of my posts aren't properly marked by you, you're slipping a bit. I need you to be 100 ji. Let's get em all, we can't have one or two slippin like that. 

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On 18/01/2018 at 1:34 PM, Guest Jagsaw_Singh said:

With Jagmeet Singh this week publishing photographs of him and his bride to be something struck me:   If an Amritdhari girl with a dastar started parading around photos of herself with her boyfriend / soon to be husband and that husband happened to be a fella with a jazzy b type stylized hair cut would any of us have the same reaction we are displaying towards Jagmeet ? Would we be saying "aahh...what a lovely couple" ?  or would we be saying "&lt;banned word filter activated&gt; ???".  So why no fuss over Jagmeet's bride who is not only not amritdhari but also not long -haired as she keeps it cut and styled to just below shoulder level ?  Where's the outcry ?? Doesn't anything mean anything anymore?   Does gender, money and power buy you priveledges from your faith's rules ?

What is your point about her not wearing a dastar? 

 

On 18/01/2018 at 2:50 PM, jkvlondon said:

somebody should explain to the two of them that amritdhari sikhs should also have likewise spouses irregardless of gender of amritdhari person . As far as his cringeworthy proposal vid shows (released today ) she shaves her pits, does her eyebrows, trims her hair also and probably her legs as she is in the phashion trade.

Haven't seen any evidence of her do nindya yet #justsaying..? 

 

On 19/01/2018 at 10:40 PM, jkvlondon said:

but if you read sikh history you will find it filled with examples of stern and fierce admonishments by Dasmesh Pita ji of transgressors of rehit .

Really could you please supply evidence of such admonishments? 

 

On 19/01/2018 at 11:46 PM, Guest Jagsaw_Singh said:

So it's agreed then is it Californiasardar....the consensus here is that a brand new Amritdhari Rehat Maryada has been written and approved by Sikhsangat.com and according to the new Maryada all Amritdharis must be free to have intimate relations with whosoever they chose ?   I'll always stand with sangat and willingly support the consensus amongst our quom so lets be abundantly clear and straightforward about this.....is this the new Maryada we're all advocating here ?

Hahaha 

 

On 19/01/2018 at 11:49 PM, jkvlondon said:

fact is when I was a teen nobody wanted to marry me because I was too religious , I wear a dastar ...in fact I was told that to my face. there are many hypocritical amritdhari guys who want a fashionable girl including my bro just younger than me , he is totally opposed to his missus wearing a dastar etc. and I know of at least five Amritdhari Singhs of my generation who experimented with gori kali GFs then married Indian sikh brides ...of course they never mention anything to their wives.

I would be happy if SInghs stop experimenting as ALL females deserve respect, they should teach and encourage their sisters into the faith especially if the parents are giving grief to their sisters and cousins. If you are interested in someone make sure they are actioning an interest in becoming a full sikh else there is little point .

There are loads of dastar wearing females who are still  waiting for the one Singh ... so no there isn't a totally scarcity

Sikhi doesn't promote evangelism or discrimination. When you say full sikh what exactly do you mean.. 

The rhetoric is so confusing 

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3 hours ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Very interesting.. Do you believe in the writings of and compositions of Bhagat kabir or baba farid?

What? All Sikhs believe in those writings of Bhagat Kabir ji and Sheikh Fareed ji included in Guru Granth Sahib ji.

What's your point?

3 hours ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Do you only believe that those individuals whose writings are included in the ggsj as being sikh? 

Don't know what you're trying to say here.

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3 hours ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Sikhi doesn't promote evangelism or discrimination.

evangelism/ɪˈvan(d)ʒ(ə)lɪz(ə)m/

noun
  1. the spreading of the Christian gospel by public preaching or personal witness.

By that definition, no, Sikhi does not promote spreading of the Christian gospel. But if you mean "spreading of Sikhi by public preaching or personal witness", yes it does promote that:

ਆਪਿ ਜਪਹੁ, ਅਵਰਹ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਾਵਹੁ ॥  (p290)

Recite yourself, and cause others to recite the Name.

What is your definition of "evangelism"?

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3 hours ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Sikhi doesn't promote evangelism or discrimination.

Yes, Sikhi does promote discrimination. Have you read Gurbani, bro?

 

ਗਉੜੀ ਮਹਲਾ   
 
ਹਰਿ ਕੇ ਦਾਸ ਸਿਉ ਸਾਕਤ ਨਹੀ ਸੰਗੁ  
The Lord's servant does not associate with the faithless cynic. 
 

ਓਹੁ ਬਿਖਈ ਓਸੁ ਰਾਮ ਕੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ  
One is in the clutches of vice, while the other is in love with the Lord. ||1||Pause|| 

p198

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8 minutes ago, BhForce said:

By that definition, no, Sikhi does not promote spreading of the Christian gospel. But if you mean "spreading of Sikhi by public preaching or personal witness", yes it does promote that:

ਆਪਿ ਜਪਹੁ, ਅਵਰਹ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਾਵਹੁ ॥  (p290)

Recite yourself, and cause others to recite the Name.

What is your definition of "evangelism"?

It should be noted that Sikhi is part of the Dharmic framework which is very different from the Abrehamic framework. When Sikhs do parchaar, their aim isnt to "convert" its to spread the universal truth that carries no particular identity. It would be accurate to say that Sikhi doesn't promote trying to "convert" people (in this case into the Khalsa sub tradition), however its fine with spreading universal principles of "Sant Ka Marg", which dont carry a particular identity and are purely dharmic, not religious as per the abrehamic framework. 

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Clearly there are a lot of people here who ain't gonna get a wedding invite 

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1 hour ago, Koi said:

Clearly there are a lot of people here who ain't gonna get a wedding invite 

Jagmeet Singh, bro, I hereby rescind all my posts. Send my invite, man!

I live at 13, Downing St, London.

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Speaking as a mona kid who was born in Canada, having jagneet in politics is such a blessing.  Who he marries is none of your guys concern.

I havent visited this forum in such along time and honestly the fact that you are bashing him for no reason makes no sense. This post really shows me the lack of maturity ane real life experience some posters have.

Honestly I goto the gurdwara here all the time and having jagmeet in power shows parents their kid could keep kesh too. I know if i would have a kid, i would keep his kesh.

 

To jigsaw singh, judge not ye be judged. Honestly who made you god to judge everyone. 

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