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Amritdharis marrying hair-cut spouses - <banned word filter activated> Jagmeet Singh ?

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14 hours ago, S1ngh said:

He is a good politician and lets leave up to that. They groom their lifestyle in such way in order to win votes. He is just a politician, we should not expect such people to be pious religious figure. 

Rather than tearing each other down, we should be trying to help each other. We all have our own worst demons.

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42 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Jagsaw.....dude...you need some help man. 

Naam

Bhang

Water

Repeat until in control of yourself. 

I'm worried for you. For real. 

If you 'worry' for someone for saying maryada for amritdharis should be followed by amritdharis you seriously have some 'worrying' problems.  If you 'worry' for someone putting into writing opinions on a discussion forum which is designed as a platform for opinions to be shared on a written basis your 'worrying' problem is even more problematic that I initially thought.

'Worrying' is something a parent should do when their child is ill in hospital. It is something a father should do when not able to pay the household bills on time. When a grown man or woman 'worries' at the sight of opinions and facts being expressed in writing that is a sign of deep need for some type of psychotherapy. I would suggest you seek out that help sooner rather than later as this type of mental tension can quickly manifest itself as physical tension. There is help available out there and you should not feel stigmatized and embarrassed about seeking it.

In essence, what you have, my friend, is a particular and rather peculiar form of  Allodoxphobia. Within this context, the sight of other people expressing their own opinions frightens you. This fear of an 'opinion' being expressed provokes a reaction in you typical of all fears in that it makes you become defensive and when people become defensive they tend to lash out at the person expressing the opinion. It is fear that drives this psychological state and the key of course is to overcome it. It can work both ways of course as I'm probably a bit too much at the opposite end of it in the sense that I absolutely adore reading other people's opinions because I like the way it gets me thinking more deeply about a particular subject matter and also helps me to become more empathetic...or at least understand that there are opposing viewpoints on virtually every subject matter. I also particularly like those posters on this forum that deploy a Socratic approach to what they write, in that they pose hard-hitting questions and opinions with the objective of provoking the reader into some reflective analysis of the issues being discussed. Of course, I fully understand that those already overcome with a fear of opinions will not be positively embracing of the Socratic approach but as I said in the beginning I am understanding and supporting of everyone's emotional and mental needs and there is help available out there to overcome that fear. I truly wish you all the best in that but most importantly please remember that there is no stigma attached, i.e as the Khalsa know, there is no fear.

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12 hours ago, Guest London jwaan said:

Never mind about her armpits, what about when you were dating a Brazilian non sikh boyfriend before you converted him and married him? Why was that OK but this is not?

I didn't date him ... but like a broken record you keep repeating the same old stuff...

I was aware of my status and how it would affect another and I am not big on lying to anyone  so I didn't even try.

No doubt there are many girls who are not as scrupulous and pose as gursikhs and do roma di beadbhi but then make out that they never do that  and marry amritdhari husbands who are not aware of the deceit which affects them too (patit marrying a gursikh).

 

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On 1/18/2018 at 8:30 AM, Guest Jagsaw_Singh said:

all have a duty to pull this man down to his rightful place.

 You can reconcile this with your sikhism. 

that statement combined with the anger, cursing, and statement to impose His rules on someone make you sound like a sharia law thumpin jihadi. 

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On 18/01/2018 at 3:21 PM, Guest Jagsaw_Singh said:

His political opponents say he is a man of style but absolutely no substance, who will say and do anything to accumulate power.

The Sikh masses like him because he makes them feel that someone 'normal' just like them has risen to the top. There is nothing 'normal' however of being born into a millionaire doctors family and spending your whole childhood in an elite north American £35,000 a year boarding school. In that respect we've simply replaced the usual rich priviledged lot that take power for granted with another one that looks a bit more like us.

What kind of 'Amrit' was it that Jagmeet Singh took that makes him think he is above Guru ji's hukam and maryada ?  Like Trump, is it not another case of the rich and powerful thinking they can make up their own moral codes as their lust / ego desires.

 

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She looks a lot younger than him.

She looks like a teenager. 

Though in order to further his political career he would need to get married because a future PM will need to look like a family man to appeal to the masses.

It would be interesting to see an Amritdhari female as the first lady of a country, but is very unlikely it would happen.

Even though Politics is said to be showbiz for ugly people ,there is a PR element to this. 

He understands that if he is to challenge pretty boy Trudeau, he needs out-glamour him because politics are largely popularity contests. 

Because the way the masses and the media work come election time is who has the prettier wife Trudeau or Singh? 

 

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I have two things to add to this. Lets suppose that girl was white will you criticise him the same way. Second Politics + Sikhs does not = to a Man Mukh. Go back to History of Punjab as an example. We used to watch this comedy show when we were early adulthood. The scene was from the Parliament. A Canadian MP called some MP from the opposition a liar. The Speaker of the house said the MP  are not supposed to use this L word. The MP responded to the Speaker "Sir your honour we all the same we are politicians so we are all liars."  There is no honesty in politics we are compelled by the majority to speak the truth.

 

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5 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

 You can reconcile this with your sikhism. 

that statement combined with the anger, cursing, and statement to impose His rules on someone make you sound like a sharia law thumpin jihadi. 

if one son/daughter forgets or does something knowingly against his father's instruction is it not a sibling's duty to remind and counsel the wayward person to reconsider their position ? That's just being good family , ultimately the indvidual reaps the effect of their actions . Sikhi is not anywhere near sharia injustice , so watch what you imply in your misinterpretation, a sikh doesn't define sikhi , Guru ji does and an outsider is best advised to consult the Guru before spouting any nasty utterances against sikhi

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23 hours ago, Guest Jagsaw_Singh said:

Seriously, how on earth do you start dreaming 'anger' and 'krodh' into this whole thing ? :hairan:

You missed ‘jealousy’ I said that too or maybe you agree with me on that one.

I sense your vein on the side of your head about to burst.  You hate me now too.

Just chill out geezer!  Put on some velvet slippers, light a dhoof,  brew some camomile and listen to some Marvin Gaye or something.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

if one son/daughter forgets or does something knowingly against his father's instruction is it not a sibling's duty to remind and counsel the wayward person to reconsider their position ? That's just being good family , ultimately the indvidual reaps the effect of their actions . Sikhi is not anywhere near sharia injustice , so watch what you imply in your misinterpretation, a sikh doesn't define sikhi , Guru ji does and an outsider is best advised to consult the Guru before spouting any nasty utterances against sikhi

That was a comment about how this person comes across, in stark contrast to Sikhism.

If you have to council a loved one, out of your genuine desire for their wellbeing, what would you say is the right way to go about that?

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2 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

That was a comment about how this person comes across, in stark contrast to Sikhism.

but if you read sikh history you will find it filled with examples of stern and fierce admonishments by Dasmesh Pita ji of transgressors of rehit .

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19 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

but if you read sikh history you will find it filled with examples of stern and fierce admonishments by Dasmesh Pita ji of transgressors of rehit .

Why not contact Jagmeet SIngh in private then?

Why not be so quick to address every other trangressor of rehit?

Why be so angry about it?

If none are high and none are low, how do you pull a man down to his rightful place?

Didn't you just get called about your own rehit?

In the past, when people called you out and they did it in a mean way, how'd that make you feel?

Maybe the dude could benefit from reading your profile pic.

Keep the confused looks on all my posts going, I'm going to print it on a t-shirt.

Last question.  How does saying "f" Jagmeet Singh embody the spirit of helping a brother?

At least in the south they say "bless his soul" or "bless his heart" when they mean f that dude.

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1 minute ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Why not contact Jagmeet SIngh in private then?

Why not be so quick to address every other trangressor of rehit?

he knows what is expected of him by sikhs and also by his electorate ... he has been dating this girl for 5 years (not a sikh trait and usually moved on by parents sooner to next stage). no one contacting a politician is ever in private ...

Why..... does it hurt you?

 

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I'm not hurt, I was worried that perhaps Jagsaw is in poor health and perhaps not following his rehit, so I said something.

16 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

no one contacting a politician is ever in private

You can certainly contact them much more directly and privately over facebook messenger or email etc.  He's not even here to be corrected.

16 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

he has been dating this girl for 5 years

21 hours ago, Guest London jwaan said:

Does that include you too?

In an earlier forum, you described your husband as:

"He is  a sikh but is not at the point of amrit because of his parents interference/emotional blackmail which Guru kirpa is lessening as the truth of their natures is coming out .I am waiting for him ."

So how come you didn't marry an amridhari? Why are you declaring that amridhari should only marry an amridhari when you ignored that and chose to convert a Brazilian Christian instead?

To the confused, thank you, thank you.  I take my bow.  I do what I can.

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7 minutes ago, TigerForce1 said:

You missed ‘jealousy’ I said that too or maybe you agree with me on that one.

I sense your vein on the side of your head about to burst.  You hate me now too.

Just chill out geezer!  Put on some velvet slippers, light a dhoof,  brew some camomile and listen to some Marvin Gaye or something.

 

 

:hairan: Who's angry ?   And who would I be angry with ? This is all very perplexing :hairan: 

 

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that statement combined with the anger

Who's angry with whom ? What on earth are you on about ?

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cursing

Who cursed ? I don't swear as a rule in my life. If you're confusing it with what the moderators censored at the beginning of this title thread that was a 'what the fudge' because apparently you can't place the letters 'w' and 't' and 'f' right next to each other without it triggering the censorship thingymajig. So that's 2 questions now: Who's angry ? coz it certainly ain't me.  Who's cursing ? coz it certainly ain't me.

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and statement to impose His rules on someone make you sound like a sharia law thumpin jihadi. 

And how does that sit with what I said in my first few messages, i.e ""there is absolutely nothing wrong with any person wishing to cut their hair. That is a personal choice for each individual and must be respected"    ??

Also, as one disliked on this forum by the more religious ones for advocating free will and being anti-parcharaks it is a little strange and ironic that I should now be labelled the 'jihadi'

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and statement to impose His rules on someone

Whilst I salute your honesty in being upfront about you being a non-believing agnostic I must remind you that this is a Sikh religious forum and if you wish to post here you will refrain from insulting our Gurus. Our father Sri Guru Gobind Singh does not force any human being into joining the Khalsa. Every human has free will to decide his own destiny. When an individual makes his own conscious decision to join HIS Khalsa that individual must abide by the codes of conduct. This is Guru ji's maryada for the Khalsa. Th rules are not for those who do not wish to join. If you join however...as Jagmeet Singh did....that person must respect the dignity of that position and not pick and choose which of the rules he likes and which he wishes to ignore. One can't decide one likes the uniform but dislikes the rules. The Khalsa rules are for the Khalsa. Not for you to have to follow. Not for Jagmeet's wife to have to follow. But the one who made solemn vows to follow must know that his money and power can not shield him from criticism.

It's really as simple as that. A man expressing his views and opinions on a discussion forum designed as  a platform for people to express their opinions. No need to be frightened of opinions.

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