Amritdharis marrying hair-cut spouses - <banned word filter activated> Jagmeet Singh ?

[TigerForce1]

5 hours ago, Guest Jagsaw_Singh said:

He's an opportunist who will say and do anything to satisfy his ego for power. To the Sikhs, he tells us what we want to hear. To the masses, he also tells them what they want to hear : Like his promises to legalize all Heroin and Crack Cocaine in Canada if elected.

In his first ever interview when he became an MP he said he used modelling in fashion magazines as a springboard to become an MP. His political opponents even today say he sets up media confrontations in order to sell himself. This ego obsessed individual lives and breathes PR. He plays us as well as he plays the media.

Two things there: They recently got engaged but he's stated they've been boyfriend and girlfriend for a long time now. Not only does that beg the question if she hasn't been able to take Sikhi on board after a few years what makes anyone think she will now but also what ego within an amritdhari man led him to chase and persue a sexual relationship with a waxed and hair-cutted girl ?   Secondly,  there is absolutely nothing wrong with any person wishing to cut their hair. That is a personal choice for each individual and must be respected. The issue however is that this man  baptised himself into the Khalsa and that Khalsa has a code of conduct (maryada). Maryada is Guru ji's hukam. Apparently he thinks he is above HIS hukam. We, as HIS sons all have a duty to pull this man down to his rightful place.

Too much ‘Krodh’ will your destroy your soul.  You should do breathing exercises and do lots of naam simran.  This much nindia, hatred and jealousy is not the way of a Khalsa.  

[Guest Jagsaw_Singh]

32 minutes ago, TigerForce1 said:

Too much ‘Krodh’ will your destroy your soul.  You should do breathing exercises and do lots of naam simran.  This much nindia, hatred and jealousy is not the way of a Khalsa.  

Uugh ?  Show me krodh and show me anger ?  I merely stated a widely held belief about someone.  Is it because my font was in black and size 11 font that you sensed anger ? 

Seriously dude....he ain;t my son, dad or brother that would bring personal feelings into it. Lighten up   ....He's a politician in the public eye and both me and you are members of the public. Politicians rely on and feed on the public's ignorance and inferiority and the public have a duty to always hold them to account and bring them back down to earth. Seriously, how on earth do you start dreaming 'anger' and 'krodh' into this whole thing ?

[Guest London jwaan]

11 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

somebody should explain to the two of them that amritdhari sikhs should also have likewise spouses irregardless of gender of amritdhari person . As far as his cringeworthy proposal vid shows (released today ) she shaves her pits, does her eyebrows, trims her hair also and probably her legs as she is in the phashion trade.

Never mind about her armpits, what about when you were dating a Brazilian non sikh boyfriend before you converted him and married him? Why was that OK but this is not?

[Guest London jwaan]

11 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

somebody should explain to the two of them that amritdhari sikhs should also have likewise spouses irregardless of gender of amritdhari person .

Does that include you too?

In an earlier forum, you described your husband as:

"He is  a sikh but is not at the point of amrit because of his parents interference/emotional blackmail which Guru kirpa is lessening as the truth of their natures is coming out .I am waiting for him ."

So how come you didn't marry an amridhari? Why are you declaring that amridhari should only marry an amridhari when you ignored that and chose to convert a Brazilian Christian instead?

[GurjantGnostic]

Jagsaw.....dude...you need some help man. 

Naam

Bhang

Water

Repeat until in control of yourself. 

I'm worried for you. For real. 

[Kira]

14 hours ago, S1ngh said:

He is a good politician and lets leave up to that. They groom their lifestyle in such way in order to win votes. He is just a politician, we should not expect such people to be pious religious figure. 

Rather than tearing each other down, we should be trying to help each other. We all have our own worst demons.

[Guest Jagsaw_Singh]

42 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Jagsaw.....dude...you need some help man. 

Naam

Bhang

Water

Repeat until in control of yourself. 

I'm worried for you. For real. 

If you 'worry' for someone for saying maryada for amritdharis should be followed by amritdharis you seriously have some 'worrying' problems.  If you 'worry' for someone putting into writing opinions on a discussion forum which is designed as a platform for opinions to be shared on a written basis your 'worrying' problem is even more problematic that I initially thought.

'Worrying' is something a parent should do when their child is ill in hospital. It is something a father should do when not able to pay the household bills on time. When a grown man or woman 'worries' at the sight of opinions and facts being expressed in writing that is a sign of deep need for some type of psychotherapy. I would suggest you seek out that help sooner rather than later as this type of mental tension can quickly manifest itself as physical tension. There is help available out there and you should not feel stigmatized and embarrassed about seeking it.

In essence, what you have, my friend, is a particular and rather peculiar form of  Allodoxphobia. Within this context, the sight of other people expressing their own opinions frightens you. This fear of an 'opinion' being expressed provokes a reaction in you typical of all fears in that it makes you become defensive and when people become defensive they tend to lash out at the person expressing the opinion. It is fear that drives this psychological state and the key of course is to overcome it. It can work both ways of course as I'm probably a bit too much at the opposite end of it in the sense that I absolutely adore reading other people's opinions because I like the way it gets me thinking more deeply about a particular subject matter and also helps me to become more empathetic...or at least understand that there are opposing viewpoints on virtually every subject matter. I also particularly like those posters on this forum that deploy a Socratic approach to what they write, in that they pose hard-hitting questions and opinions with the objective of provoking the reader into some reflective analysis of the issues being discussed. Of course, I fully understand that those already overcome with a fear of opinions will not be positively embracing of the Socratic approach but as I said in the beginning I am understanding and supporting of everyone's emotional and mental needs and there is help available out there to overcome that fear. I truly wish you all the best in that but most importantly please remember that there is no stigma attached, i.e as the Khalsa know, there is no fear.

[jkvlondon]

12 hours ago, Guest London jwaan said:

Never mind about her armpits, what about when you were dating a Brazilian non sikh boyfriend before you converted him and married him? Why was that OK but this is not?

I didn't date him ... but like a broken record you keep repeating the same old stuff...

I was aware of my status and how it would affect another and I am not big on lying to anyone  so I didn't even try.

No doubt there are many girls who are not as scrupulous and pose as gursikhs and do roma di beadbhi but then make out that they never do that  and marry amritdhari husbands who are not aware of the deceit which affects them too (patit marrying a gursikh).

 

[MrDoaba]

We complain because we don't have enough Sikhs in politics. When we do have one we still complain because he's not a Mahapurkh. A generalisation that one could make is Sikhs in political power have not always adhered to maryada as strictly as janta. The same is true for many other communities, and just like Jagmeet they know where their loyalties lie - for the qaum. I find it hard to believe that his motives are otherwise. If they were, he would have been at an advantage had he still been a mona rather than an Amritdhari. While there's no doubt that Raajneeti from a Dharmic perspective should always contain elements of righteousness, the means to reaching the primary objective, which I believe in this case to be the betterment of the Sikh Qaum and amassing political influence and power to wield in the international arena, may well be outwardly adharmic. This especially applies at a personal level whereby one may be exempt from certain religious laws to serve the greater good.

Executing Ranneeti and Raajneeti simply cannot be held to the standards of Rehat Maryada namely due to the fact that this is Kalyug. As stated in another post we cannot and should not expect the neetikaars to be pious and religious figures. Unless of course we're happy being personae non gratae forever.

If it later becomes evident that his motivations, intentions, and loyalties lie elsewhere, by all means tear him down.

[GurjantGnostic]

On 1/18/2018 at 8:30 AM, Guest Jagsaw_Singh said:

all have a duty to pull this man down to his rightful place.

 You can reconcile this with your sikhism. 

that statement combined with the anger, cursing, and statement to impose His rules on someone make you sound like a sharia law thumpin jihadi.