Need help answering a Christian's Questions on the nature of Waheguru in Sikhi

[GurjantGnostic]

6 hours ago, DarshaPyasi1984 said:

All other religions like Christainity and Islam say if u dont follow their religion u go to hell.

EDIT: I cannot stand by what I said in this post.  I was totally wrong.

[MrDoaba]

10 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Islam is a beautiful religion, and the teachings of the Prophet Mohammed are quite good. 

I would seriously reconsider this viewpoint.

11 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

If there was not truth in Islam Guru Nanak Ji would not have had anything to do with muslims.

Expand on this point.

[GurjantGnostic]

2 hours ago, MrDoaba said:

I would seriously reconsider this viewpoint.

Expand on this point.

EDIT: I cannot stand by what I said in this post.  I was totally wrong.

 

[BhForce]

13 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

 

Islam is a beautiful religion, and the teachings of the Prophet Mohammed are quite good.  Let it be a lesson to us all that if we are not careful any religion can be corrupted. 

Oh, wow, you are quite naive, brother. Blows my mind.

Are you trying to say the Koran is wonderful, and it's only the stuff that's written outside of the Koran that's bad? If so, have you checked out the Koran?

15 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

If there was not truth in Islam Guru Nanak Ji would not have had anything to do with muslims.

"to do" as in merely talking with them? So the mere fact of talking with someone means you think there's truth in their religion/philosophy/whatever? Among other things, this proposition of yours means that people could never talk to other people for fear of validating their thinking.

Do you believe that a news reporter that does an interview with a vile person, say a Nazi, means that the National Socialism has truth?

[GurjantGnostic]

2 hours ago, BhForce said:

Oh, wow, you are quite naive, brother. Blows my mind.

Are you trying to say the Koran is wonderful, and it's only the stuff that's written outside of the Koran that's bad? If so, have you checked out the Koran?

"to do" as in merely talking with them? So the mere fact of talking with someone means you think there's truth in their religion/philosophy/whatever? Among other things, this proposition of yours means that people could never talk to other people for fear of validating their thinking.

Do you believe that a news reporter that does an interview with a vile person, say a Nazi, means that the National Socialism has truth?

EDIT: I cannot stand by what I said in this post.  I was totally wrong, except the following part

I know what the Moghuls and Pakistani did to Sikhs it's the definition of Evil.

[MrDoaba]

2 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

My understanding of the Quaran is not good enough to go into great detail.  But consider this.  The prophet Mohammed preached equality of race, and sex, and also did not believe in caste.  When he took Mecca, and destroyed the idols, he ldid not destroy the rock I think it was placed there by Abraham?, as it was not an idol, but represented monotheism.  He commanded that no innocents and no property be harmed, and that if the enemy were to surrender they would not be hurt.  Fast forward to mass terror, conversion by the sword, and bombings that Islam is linked with today and how can we say these people are Muslims?

Was not Guru Nanak Ji's closest companion a Muslim, at the birth of SIkhi? 

Bro this is what they want you to believe. By their own law they are allowed to lie about the nature of their faith to keep it prospering. Mass terror and conversion by the sword have been policies of islam since day one. If you spend enough time around muslims you'll see what I mean. They have been doing everything you said from the beginning. You just need to look at their own history. We are fed all these lies and have been bombarded with them so much, they have now become the norm and if you speak out the truth you are labeled an "Islamaphobe". Islam is a disgusting and vile cult and God ain't got nothing to do with it. Hell even Satan (pun intended) wouldn't go next to them.

It's a huge misconception that Guru Nanak Dev Ji's companion was a muslim. Many of the friendly stories and interactions between Sikhs and islamists are a load of bollocks barring a few. Any even those were with muslims who are considered heretics.

[GurjantGnostic]

Just now, MrDoaba said:

Bro this is what they want you to believe. By their own law they are allowed to lie about the nature of their faith to keep it prospering. Mass terror and conversion by the sword have been policies of islam since day one. If you spend enough time around muslims you'll see what I mean. They have been doing everything you said from the beginning. You just need to look at their own history. We are fed all these lies and have been bombarded with them so much, they have now become the norm and if you speak out the truth you are labeled an "Islamaphobe". Islam is a disgusting and vile cult and God ain't got nothing to do with it. Hell even Satan (pun intended) wouldn't go next to them.

It's a huge misconception that Guru Nanak Dev Ji's companion was a muslim. Many of the friendly stories and interactions between Sikhs and islamists are a load of bollocks barring a few. Any even those were with muslims who are considered heretics.

They should live up to their lies rather than their truths then.  Lol

[GurjantGnostic]

If you read the torah, you have to pick the "blueberries" out.  And read between the lines.  So there is some gnosis, or truth about God in it. 

The Guru Granth Sahib is only "blueberries"

[BhForce]

3 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

The prophet Mohammed preached equality of race, and sex, and also did not believe in caste.

Well, if that's how you want to define "Muslim" maybe I'll call myself a Muslim. But that's not how 99.99% of Muslims define Muslim. They define it as believing in the Koran, and the Hadith, too.

4 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

When he took Mecca, and destroyed the idols, he ldid not destroy the rock I think it was placed there by Abraham?, as it was not an idol, but represented monotheism

Right, which is why the Muslims destroy churches, temples, and idols of Hindu gods, Buddha, and Jesus and Christian iconography when they conquer a territory. How's this a good thing?

6 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

He commanded that no innocents and no property be harmed,

"Innocents" are defined as Muslims. Property is not to be harmed because they are going to take it over.

7 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

if the enemy were to surrender they would not be hurt.

Right, so they are demanding that Europe surrender to their demands, otherwise they will be hurt. The head of Turkey (Erdogan) actually warned that Europeans "will not walk safely on the streets" if they don't give in to his demands. That's not some ISIS nutso, that's the President of Turkey, a NATO ally!

How you can say "they won't be hurt if they surrender" is a good thing is beyond my comprehension.

11 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Fast forward to mass terror, conversion by the sword, and bombings that Islam is linked with today and how can we say these people are Muslims?

Because, bro, the basis for this is contained right within the Koran:

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." 

12 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Was not Guru Nanak Ji's closest companion a Muslim, at the birth of SIkhi? 

You are referring to Bhai Mardana, who was a Muslim by birth. By keeping the company of Guru Nanak ji, Bhai Mardana effectively became a kafir (apostate). Simply singing is forbidden in Islam, singing what is purported to be divine revelation by a prophet coming after the Prophet Mohammed is definitely apostasy. 

Put it this way: If you want to say that Bhai Mardana was still a Muslim after worshipping according to the way taught by Guru Nanak, I want to ask if you think Guru Nanak ji was still a Hindu?

[GurjantGnostic]

https://www.sikhnet.com/news/sikh-responds-brilliantly-claim-sikhs-fought-islam-centuries-facts-and-history

this is where a lot of my info came from.