If I follow a Human Guru, but respect the Guru Granth Sahib as also a Guru, then am I a Sikh?

[sikhni777]

If you do sehaj path and read the meanings of the bani as well your understanding will greatly increase

1 hour ago, GurjantGnostic said:

This makes sense.  Thank you.

I should read more gurbani.  I read mainly Japji Sahib, and daily Hukam and some topics don't seem to often come up in the Hukam.

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[GurjantGnostic]

9 minutes ago, sikhni777 said:

If you do sehaj path and read the meanings of the bani as well your understanding will greatly increase

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Ah, Shukria. Learn something new every day.  I like that.

[Cloud]

On 2018-01-15 at 7:40 AM, TheeTurbanator said:

I know, but thats not what the Namdharis think. They believe in the SGGSJ as the Guru, but not the final Guru. My question is that can someone not believe in SGGSJ as the final Guru and be defined as a "Sikh" according to Bani? 

Guru Gobind Singh did not say that there will be a twelfth guru after “Sri guru granth sahib”.

 

About the naamdhari argument you can go very far with that. Most sikhs are converted from hindu and muslims. Before the mulsims were converted buddhists in punjab. Before the buddhists were converted hindus which were converted jains in which before there were tribal religions.

You can go very far with that.

[TheeTurbanator]

1 hour ago, Cloud said:

Guru Gobind Singh did not say that there will be a twelfth guru after “Sri guru granth sahib”.

 

The Guru said that he resides in the Khalsa. There is technically only One Guru. Bhai Gurdas Ji describes the Khalsa Panth as the metaphor body, and the SGGSJ as the mind. 

[TheeTurbanator]

1 hour ago, Cloud said:

About the naamdhari argument you can go very far with that.

Can you please explain, what does people converting have to do with it? Buddhist’s, Muslims, Hindus, etc are not Sikh, they are a different path. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, TheeTurbanator said:

Can you please explain, what does people converting have to do with it? Buddhist’s, Muslims, Hindus, etc are not Sikh, they are a different path. 

Different ways to reach the top of the mountain, similarly different paths to reach the same creator.

[Not2Cool2Argue]

There's a lot of pangtis in gurbani about kache gurus. Find those. Alot of pangtis that say the true guru is gurbani. 

But as another poster said, leaving the naamdhari to his beliefs might be best.  As they r a small community, they have more resources to spend on their community. My sister learned taanti saaj from them. They make their children go every summer to 3 month long camps, where they learn to play taanti saaj and do amritvela , and learn asa di vaar plus dasam baani on saaj. So lots of skills there. We should not torh (break) someone if we are not willing to put in.the effort to jorh(connect) someone. 

Just saying, ur guru is fake, wat u believe is wrong is just torhing. Are u willing to do more than that? 

I wonder if that is wats wrong with india. Why it has no morals. Cuz the mughals made.wat ppl believe in idol worship wrong and a crime. Without educating them and sincerely changing their thoughts. Only forcing another religion.

[Not2Cool2Argue]

1 hour ago, TheeTurbanator said:

Can you please explain, what does people converting have to do with it? Buddhist’s, Muslims, Hindus, etc are not Sikh, they are a different path. 

Hes addressing ur naamdharis argument. That the followers of guru nanak were muslims and hindus.

[InderjitS]

Sorry - OP isn't your username derogatory? here's Arnie suffering from a bad turban day

 

look at this ladoo, at least he has a shot gun and not a blunt kirpan....haha!

[TheeTurbanator]

2 hours ago, InderjitS said:

Sorry - OP isn't your username derogatory?

LoL, yah man, I wanna terminate people with Turbans 

 

2 hours ago, InderjitS said:

look at this ladoo, at least he has a shot gun and not a blunt kirpan....haha!

How do you know it’s loaded?