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9 minutes ago, InderjitS said:

From what I understand there were a number of battle standards, as Ranjit Singh had soldiers from a number of faiths and backgrounds could it be possible these were carried by the Gujjars?

This is an illustration of Guru Gobind Singh Ji travelling to Deccan. The katar, dhal and tulwar seem to be a common theme on the Sikh flags at least.

 

 

Nah back in the day we all respected durga etc so thats why there was durga or suryavanshi on the nishans. Its only recently where we hate anything hindu because we are stupid people.

The first nishan sahib was actually started by sri guru amar das ji maharaj. The color of that nishan was white. When sri Guru Hargobind sahib ji maharaj became guru the nishan color was changed to basanti. When sri guru gobind singh ji maharaj became guru the nishan sahib became blue. The akali nihangs kept it blue but maharaj ranjeet singh and other sikh leaders used different colors And insignias such as sri durga ji or suryavanshi. According to Giani Gian Singh the khalsa is part of the Suryavanshi and hence why sikhs used it for nishan insignia. The dhal,katar and tulwar is the most puratan insignis though and was used up till the 1930s until SGPC f*cked s*it up.

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2 hours ago, MrDoaba said:

Suryavanshi insignia Khalsa Nishan:

Khalsa Nishan with Durga Devi:

aren't thsoe the ones that the dogras insisted on to honour their mother , instead of blue nishan of khalsa army

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1 hour ago, MrDoaba said:

Yeah they're 18th-19th century ones.

Would still be good on blue no?

If Guru Pita ji didn't care about such things being suryavansh himself why are we raking them in again, Khalsa is breaking that link to the old ways of seeing the world sun against moon (hindu vs islam/abraham)

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2 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

aren't thsoe the ones that the dogras insisted on to honour their mother , instead of blue nishan of khalsa army

Possibly, although I don't see why Sikhs wouldn't have had it. Durga/Devi iconography isn't exclusive to Hindus.

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10 minutes ago, Singh123456777 said:

Nah back in the day we all respected durga etc so thats why there was durga or suryavanshi on the nishans. Its only recently where we hate anything hindu because we are stupid people.

The first nishan sahib was actually started by sri guru amar das ji maharaj. The color of that nishan was white. When sri Guru Hargobind sahib ji maharaj became guru the nishan color was changed to basanti. When sri guru gobind singh ji maharaj became guru the nishan sahib became blue. The akali nihangs kept it blue but maharaj ranjeet singh and other sikh leaders used different colors And insignias such as sri durga ji or suryavanshi. According to Giani Gian Singh the khalsa is part of the Suryavanshi and hence why sikhs used it for nishan insignia. The dhal,katar and tulwar is the most puratan insignis though and was used up till the 1930s until SGPC f*cked s*it up.

veer ji I thought that Guru Har Gobind ji put one blue and one basanti nishan at akal takht ...

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2 minutes ago, MrDoaba said:

Possibly, although I don't see why Sikhs wouldn't have had it. Durga/Devi iconography isn't exclusive to Hindus.

sikhs did shastar namaskar and only praised Akal Purakh as Guru ji has said clearly ta hi Durga saaj ke Daintan da nas kariaya... we admired her fighting spirit but not to the extent of raising a standard to her . 

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2 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

If Guru Pita ji didn't care about such things being suryavansh himself why are we raking them in again, Khalsa is breaking that link to the old ways of seeing the world sun against moon (hindu vs islam/abraham)

You're reading into it too much. It's just a matter of belonging to a tradition. An identifying mark. It's not manmat. I'm sure Guru Sahib said when you become Khalsa you lose your old jaat and become that of the Guru's family i.e. Suryavanshi Kshatriya.

The moon logo is also used by those who belong to Chandravanshi dynasty. Not to forget the Aad Chand.

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7 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

veer ji I thought that Guru Har Gobind ji put one blue and one basanti nishan at akal takht ...

Nope

 

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2 minutes ago, MrDoaba said:

You're reading into it too much. It's just a matter of belonging to a tradition. An identifying mark. It's not manmat. I'm sure Guru Sahib said when you become Khalsa you lose your old jaat and become that of the Guru's family i.e. Suryavanshi Kshatriya.

The moon logo is also used by those who belong to Chandravanshi dynasty. Not to forget the Aad Chand.

then that makes zero sense we owe ZERO  loyalty those divisions that enslaved humanity's minds for thousands of years , our panth is Tisar the third way.

 

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2 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

sikhs did shastar namaskar and only praised Akal Purakh as Guru ji has said clearly ta hi Durga saaj ke Daintan da nas kariaya... we admired her fighting spirit but not to the extent of raising a standard to her . 

Phenji it's just a matter of interpretation of imagery and symbolism. A Nishan Sahib or battle standard represents what you stand for, so in the case of Durga/Chandi, it wouldn't be out of place IMO.