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[dallysingh101]

55 minutes ago, GuestSingh said:

 

You've only been here 5 minutes yet you are already calling posters trolls, making homophobic comments and talking like you know it all.

Go back to where you came from and take your unfunny jokes with you. People like you are not welcome here. Joker.

Talk about getting the wrong end of soti! lol

 

55 minutes ago, GuestSingh said:

There is a reason why kirpan is one of the five k's and it isn't because it looks pretty. 

If we look at more contemporary sources, it looks like the kirpan was only one of 5 shasters that a Khalsa was expected to carry; amongst which was a gun. 

I think colonialism played a big part in diluting the original instructions because the colonists didn't want fully armed Singhs bowling about in their highly profitable 'annexed' territory for obvious reasons. So being truly tyar baar tyar eventually dwindled down to a small 'symbolic' item. 

It's hard not to come to this conclusion given all the evidence.

 

[InderjitS]

6 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

If we look at more contemporary sources, it looks like the kirpan was only one of 5 shasters that a Khalsa was expected to carry; amongst which was a gun. 

translation from an old post. we can hear this in kirtan form by Balbir Singh 

tiro tufango bado raam jango dhamakhdhaar aniar kamand kor-rhaa panj sastar parvaan

tiro = lance/spear, tufango = rifle, bado raam jango = revolver/pistol dhamakhdhaar aniar = bow and barbed arrow kamand kor-rhaa = shastar similar to golaa, panj shastar parvaan = these five shastar are accepted/necessary (for sikhs to keep on them)

 

[dallysingh101]

1 hour ago, InderjitS said:

translation from an old post. we can hear this in kirtan form by Balbir Singh 

tiro tufango bado raam jango dhamakhdhaar aniar kamand kor-rhaa panj sastar parvaan

tiro = lance/spear, tufango = rifle, bado raam jango = revolver/pistol dhamakhdhaar aniar = bow and barbed arrow kamand kor-rhaa = shastar similar to golaa, panj shastar parvaan = these five shastar are accepted/necessary (for sikhs to keep on them)

 

What am I supposed to make of the fact that our people, especially the amritdhari section, are this clueless about their own religion/heritage that they haven't got a clue about how their ancestors were armed. We haven't even touched the issue of astaars like cannons either. 

Shasternaam mala's section on bandooks is the largest one within. 

Is there any coming back from this level of cluelessness? Would most amritdharis even carry firearms if they could? I doubt it - look at the US Sikhs. 

[InderjitS]

4 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

What am I supposed to make of the fact that our people, especially the amritdhari section, are this clueless about their own religion/heritage that they haven't got a clue about how their ancestors were armed.

what to say, we tried our damned hardest to convince and it was a complete and utter waste of time. maybe its lack of sangat, the willingness to think outside the box, to educate one self....I can understand missionaries devaluing shashtars as they are vehemently against Sri Dasam Granth, who knows what camp people are in these days, certainly cannot deduce from external appearances!

[sitokaur]

poof

[Guest]

On 1/9/2018 at 7:43 PM, InderjitS said:

I retract everything I said/did yesterday, err my OJ was spiked at a bar oh and I think this is the real deal, looks like its from the 19th century right!

 

SGPC "Museums" all full of fake crap and modern paintings by desi painters. So much of our heritage is being sold to collectors or destroyed. SGPC has to go.

[Guest]

On 1/11/2018 at 8:55 PM, Kira said:

You <banned word filter activated>, he WROTE about guns being weapons, he HELD guns as well. 

a toradar matchlock. looks authentic. I guess it's one of the only things that have not been replaced by fakeries.

[dallysingh101]

43 minutes ago, sitokaur said:

Did ♡Guru Nanak bring guns or ever carried one?  He brought Khalsa Raj with >>SATNAM VAHIGUROO <<

If we have no barosa in Naam, but only know to take pride in metal, created by Akal Purakh, how will we pass His test to tolerate adversaries, tormenting, chopping us limb by limb, raping our families as they did in past, if our attempt to use guns, etc modern day weapons does not succeed in Khalsa Raj ?

What planet are you on?

This kind of dumb thinking by Sikh females will guarantee they will be some ar5ehole's sex slave in the advent of any conflict.

Do you not get the simple fact that Guru Gobind Singh ji (Guru Nanak in their tenth form) instructed Singh's to have bandooks? Is that too hard for you to understand?

[MrDoaba]

42 minutes ago, sitokaur said:

Did ♡Guru Nanak bring guns or ever carried one?  He brought Khalsa Raj with >>SATNAM VAHIGUROO <<

If we have no barosa in Naam, but only know to take pride in metal, created by Akal Purakh, how will we pass His test to tolerate adversaries, tormenting, chopping us limb by limb, raping our families as they did in past, if our attempt to use guns, etc modern day weapons does not succeed in Khalsa Raj ?

Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji and Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji are one and the same. There is no difference.

I've already said Satguru Nanak Dev Ji was Shastardhari.

[InderjitS]

12 minutes ago, MrDoaba said:

Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji and Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji are one and the same. There is no difference.

I've already said Satguru Nanak Dev Ji was Shastardhari.