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1 minute ago, MrDoaba said:

It's like that time when Sikh Channel went to Nankana Sahib and they interviewed this auntie, I repeat auntie, and she's goes "asi Guru Nanak de birthday le aye han"

It's like come on!!!!!!

there are many many airheads sikhs in Panjab ...who have zero interest or knowledge and act like they are doing tourist checklist when going to itihaasic gurdwarey or a restaurant when it's their local

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2 minutes ago, lostconfussedsingh said:

has anyone seen this page soo much hate for sikhi shocking. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHpz52Px20znHqqMT3ZKROQ/videos?disable_polymer=1

this guy is a butthurt hindu he has many low swipe videos which have clickbait titles but atheist arguments against christianity not sikhi , obviously he can't find any... not surprising as many atheists admit if they did believe they would have least problem following Guru ji because the benevolence, equality  and ecological aspects are there

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6 hours ago, Big_Tera said:

Today is a day many of us will be tucking into our mince pies and celebrating the Birth of Jesus. We will have christmas trees and all kinds in our homes to mark the event.

Yet how many of us celebrate the Birthday of Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Or even know when it is for that matter? 

Just one example of the white washed Sikhs of today. Who know more christmas carol songs the shabads. 

 

I didn’t celebrate it, nor did we have a tree. We went to the Gurdwara for Gurpurab, but there wasn’t much of a turn out, unless people went earlier. 

Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji 🙏🏻

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13 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

this guy is a butthurt hindu he has many low swipe videos which have clickbait titles but atheist arguments against christianity not sikhi , obviously he can't find any... not surprising as many atheists admit if they did believe they would have least problem following Guru ji because the benevolence, equality  and ecological aspects are there

He must be i was very saddned how sikhs are a target by this page and the sicko who makes it

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1 hour ago, singhunit said:

Fateh

I have a tree for my children and no I am not a cocount. 

My children know their history but I also want them to integrate with their community, children at school etc. Yes I buy them also gift from santa as that's what they still believe in.

This is what I see with Muslims - so secluded from rest of the country/community that they live in - they think it's their way or the he highway.

Get the balance right.

Bhul chuk maaf

 

My maternal side family of family does the same, and I’m happy for them. It’s nice for children, they get excited about Santa Claus and presents. But I don’t personally do Xmas officially nomore as it’s costly and for one day I don’t think it’s worth the bother to go to all that trouble. Plus as I’ve got older, we tend to go to the Gurdwara if we can. But I don’t judge anybody on spending time with loved ones if that’s what they want to do. I will wish my family and friends Merry Xmas every year, but just don’t send cards nomore. I’ve had some invitations at Xmas time, so sometimes will visit them after Xmas day to spend time together, as the holidays are a good way to get together. I also buy my nieces and nephews gifts as I want to and they get happy, as their friends will be doing the same. 

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On 25/12/2017 at 6:32 PM, chatanga said:

No Sikh is celebrating Jesus' birth. Most just care about getting presents. Especially kids.

 

Anyway who decided Jesus was white:

 

 

Weather you celebrate it is besides the point. You are engaging in acts of another faith. You have a tree with a the star of david on it. you are eating the food and the wine. Slowly slowly your kids with becomes jehovas witness. slowlys but surely young female Sikh wen will have crosses on the knecks. dont be foolish. This is happening rigjt now. We are turning into coconuts. 

 

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On 25/12/2017 at 11:33 PM, jkvlondon said:

NOBODY is celebrating the actual birthday of Jesus because

1. he's called Yeshua

2. He was born in summer , whilst sheep were grazing in fields/hills

3. All the feasting is to do with 12 days of celebrating the winter solstice

4. Nobody know exactly when he was born

5. Everybody is worshipping Santa instead who is based on the norse Krampus legend who was a demon, to justify this they link Saint Nicolas a 4th century Greek apolistic saint.

6. People are doing it even though they know they are being hypocritical, where's the truthful living?

Can you please provide some sources 

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51 minutes ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Can you please provide some sources 

1. no J in hebrew alphabet

2. the text of the bible indicates the season of the census,  , during winter it is bitterly cold in the region and sheep are not grazed outside in the hills then.

3. YULE/Jul

https://nationaldaycalendar.com/yule-day-of-winter-solstice/

https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/december-solstice-customs.html

4.

https://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/biblical-evidence-shows-jesus-christ-wasnt-born-on-dec-25

5. keeping eyes and ears open it is SAnta who everyone talks about not the Christos

https://www.historicmysteries.com/santa-claus-and-krampus/

https://mymerrychristmas.com/the-misunderstood-legend-of-krampus/

6. cmon are you kidding?

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44 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

1. no J in hebrew alphabet

2. the text of the bible indicates the season of the census,  , during winter it is bitterly cold in the region and sheep are not grazed outside in the hills then.

3. YULE/Jul

https://nationaldaycalendar.com/yule-day-of-winter-solstice/

https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/december-solstice-customs.html

4.

https://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/biblical-evidence-shows-jesus-christ-wasnt-born-on-dec-25

5. keeping eyes and ears open it is SAnta who everyone talks about not the Christos

https://www.historicmysteries.com/santa-claus-and-krampus/

https://mymerrychristmas.com/the-misunderstood-legend-of-krampus/

6. cmon are you kidding?

Nobody knows when he was actually born.. You in point one asserted quite strongly that he was born in the summer 

 

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I think we should make a point of exchanging gifts with close friends and family when celebrating vaisakhi, bandhi shord diwas or guru nanak Ji's birthday in 2018. Bring back the joy and spirit of our own festivals

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12 minutes ago, superkaur said:

I think we should make a point of exchanging gifts with close friends and family when celebrating vaisakhi, bandhi shord diwas or guru nanak Ji's birthday in 2018. Bring back the joy and spirit of our own festivals

vaheguru ji ka khalsa
vaheguru ji ki fateh, ji

I thought most families gift presents during diwali anyways? People just like exchanging gifts loll vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

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11 hours ago, superkaur said:

I think we should make a point of exchanging gifts with close friends and family when celebrating vaisakhi, bandhi shord diwas or guru nanak Ji's birthday in 2018. Bring back the joy and spirit of our own festivals

Should we exchange gifts on all our God's birthdays? Or just the first God?

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8 minutes ago, MrDoaba said:

Should we exchange gifts on all our God's birthdays? Or just the first God?

Lol

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19 hours ago, singhunit said:

Fateh

I have a tree for my children and no I am not a cocount. 

My children know their history but I also want them to integrate with their community, children at school etc. Yes I buy them also gift from santa as that's what they still believe in.

This is what I see with Muslims - so secluded from rest of the country/community that they live in - they think it's their way or the he highway.

Get the balance right.

Bhul chuk maaf

 

Why should a Sikh compromise on their faith just to appease the crowd?

A Sikh celebrating Christmas just for presents is like a Christian celebrating Bandi Chorr just for mittiayi in my eyes. Once boundaries  are crossed for personal gratification then where does it stop? Treating Sikhi like a sweet shop is why these Panjabi's/so-called 'Sikhs' are weak in their Sikhi.

There are other ways to achieve a balance e.g. socialising, but why should 'integration' be so important to us? Our community is settled here - we aren't suddenly going to lose our homes, businesses etc. and get kicked out of the uk by making less of an effort with goreh, kaleh etc. so what's the worst that's going to happen? We are already covertly suppressed by them and many probably see a sardar, particularly with blue dumalle, as terrorists. If they don't like us then that's their problem. Daas is going nowhere. Learn not to care like the <banned word filter activated>. Trying to fit into society weakens us because we go further from the Hukam of Guru ji, our numbers lessen and we become more whitewashed without even realising it.

ਜਬ ਲਗ ਖ਼ਾਲਸਾ ਰਹੇ ਨਿਆਰਾ ॥
While the Khalsa stays true,

ਤਬ ਲਗ ਤੇਜ ਕੀਉ ਮੈਂ ਸਾਰਾ ॥
I will offer my full support

ਜਬ ਇਹ ਗਹੈ ਬਿਪਰਨ ਕੀ ਰੀਤ ॥
When they follow the ways of others,

ਮੈਂ ਨ ਕਰੋਂ ਇਨ ਕੀ ਪ੍ਰਤੀਤ ॥
I will withdraw my assistance from them.

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    • Fair enough. While I'm in agreement that idol worship is not part of Sikhi, I believe the tuks you have posted have been posted out of context here. The bani above is referring to those whose spritual mode of worship is only idol worship. Those who think that Parmeshwar resides only in the idol. Those who have no other forms of worship and still think they are saved by doing puja of a pathar/image. That's not really what's happening in the video (I don't think so anyway). Do bear in mind I'm not completely justifying what they're doing. I would need to know more details before I could personally comment what side of the fence this lands on. For example, if this is a regular thing or only done on a certain day i.e. Vishwakarma Day etc, what they believe about Vishwakarma and what he represents for them, and what their intentions are as well as what their sharda and bhaavna is, in performing this Aarti? And of course their maksad. As I always say, things are rarely black and white.  
    • Brother, the reason we (or at least, some Sikhs) do Aarti of Guru Sahib is because we worship Guru Sahib. The reason it's a "big deal" is because it's spiritual adultery. Even if it were accepted that you can do aarti of a saint or elder, they are not doing that. They are not doing Aarti of Lord Vishwakarma, but rather of a picture of Vishwakarma, which sets them up for the spiritual transgression of idol worship. Guru Nanak Dev ji on idol worship: ਸਲੋਕ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥ Salok Mehalaa 1 || ਸਾਰੰਗ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ: (ਮਃ ੧) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਅੰਗ ੧੨੪੦  ਘਰਿ ਨਾਰਾਇਣੁ ਸਭਾ ਨਾਲਿ ॥ In your home, is the Lord God, along with all your other gods. ਪੂਜ ਕਰੇ ਰਖੈ ਨਾਵਾਲਿ ॥ You wash your stone gods and worship them. ਕੁੰਗੂ ਚੰਨਣੁ ਫੁਲ ਚੜਾਏ ॥ You offer saffron, sandalwood and flowers.   ਪੈਰੀ ਪੈ ਪੈ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਮਨਾਏ ॥ Falling at their feet, you try so hard to appease them.   ਮਾਣੂਆ ਮੰਗਿ ਮੰਗਿ ਪੈਨ੍ਹ੍ਹੈ ਖਾਇ ॥ Begging, begging from other people, you get things to wear and eat. ਅੰਧੀ ਕੰਮੀ ਅੰਧ ਸਜਾਇ ॥ For your blind deeds, you will be blindly punished. ਭੁਖਿਆ ਦੇਇ ਨ ਮਰਦਿਆ ਰਖੈ ॥ Your idol does not feed the hungry, or save the dying. ਅੰਧਾ ਝਗੜਾ ਅੰਧੀ ਸਥੈ ॥੧॥ The blind assembly argues in blindness. ||1|| ਸਾਰੰਗ ਵਾਰ (ਮਃ ੪) (੯) ਸ. (੧) ੧:੮ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੨੪੧ ਪੰ. ੨ 
      Raag Sarang Guru Nanak Dev   Guru Arjan Dev ji in Raag Bharo: ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ Mehala 5 || ਜੋ ਪਾਥਰ ਕਉ ਕਹਤੇ ਦੇਵ ॥ Those who call a stone their god ਤਾ ਕੀ ਬਿਰਥਾ ਹੋਵੈ ਸੇਵ ॥ Their service is useless. ਜੋ ਪਾਥਰ ਕੀ ਪਾਂਈ ਪਾਇ ॥ Those who fall at the feet of a stone god ਤਿਸ ਕੀ ਘਾਲ ਅਜਾਂਈ ਜਾਇ ॥੧॥ - their work is wasted in vain. ||1||   The people who do this (idol worship) will sink in the worldly ocean: ਕਬੀਰ ਪਾਹਨੁ ਪਰਮੇਸੁਰੁ ਕੀਆ ਪੂਜੈ ਸਭੁ ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ॥ Kabeer, someone sets up a stone idol and all the world worships it as the Lord. ਇਸ ਭਰਵਾਸੇ ਜੋ ਰਹੇ ਬੂਡੇ ਕਾਲੀ ਧਾਰ ॥੧੩੬॥ Those who hold to this belief will be drowned in the river of darkness. ||136|| ਸਲੋਕ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ (ਭ. ਕਬੀਰ) (੧੩੬):੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੩੭੧ ਪੰ. ੧੫ 
      Salok Bhagat Kabir    
    • Like I said maybe they shouldn't have been doing Aarti, not in the Gurdwara anyway. But the picture in itself shouldn't be a problem. Mahapurkhs have been known to keep pictures of Devi Devte, they weren't allergic to imagery, especially imagery you could say that makes up "Dharam" as a whole. Maybe not the picture shown in the video, but such imagery was commonplace and is part of our heritage. As is evident from the small selection of pictures I posted. The level of Hinduphobia amongst our people borders on idiocy.
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