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In the past few years, owing to a boom in the field of Sikh Studies, we have witnessed a number of impressionable Sikh youth fall under the sway of Nihang Dals in Europe. Whereas the Dals of the past were famed for their martial prowess and political pull, their modern-day counterparts are nothing more than hollowed out shades. Budha-Dal UK, for all it's seva, has ultimately been backed in the corner owing to several factors:

1.) It was initially adamant that Nidar Singh was not connected, in any form, to the RSS. The man's own admission, and controversial actions at Nanded, flew in the face of their pretexts and ultimately they were forced to go into damage control mode.

2.) They stringently opposed Balbir Singh's Jathedari and promulgated Baba Joginder Singh Ji as Jathedar in the imprisoned Baba Surjit Singh Ji's stead. Baba Joginder Singh, slowly, was assimilated into Balbir Singh's faction and now openly supports him and espouses his chieftainship. 

3.) It cannot be denied that in his initial years Santa Singh performed seva for the Panth, but his connections with Congress are already well known among Nihangs and non-Nihangs alike. He openly espoused Giani Zail Singh's chief-ministry of Punjab, received a police escort, received governmental amnesty whenever he forcefully captured prime land or an eatery, and in the 80's was let off for having fellow Nihangs like Ranjit Singh Balangan and his family murdered. The UK Nihangs, contrary to history, are brainwashing their young acolytes into believing that he was some sage who opposed the "demonic" Sant Jarnail Singh or forewarned him against the Akalis- its an archetypal pretext from the Dal, "we don't support the Akalis, lets use this as an excuse whenever we shaft the Panth..."- no ready consensus is available, even from among the Nihangs themselves, as to what Santa Singh did: did he oppose the Dharam Yudh Morcha or did he endorse it? 

Such nefarious activities will surely prove detrimental in the future if not arrested swiftly. There needs to be pressure put on various foreign based Nihang Dals to implement transparency in their doings and provide a general indication of how they will resolve the historic differences which have crept up between them and the mainstream. Otherwise their present obsolescence will push them into oblivion in the near future.   

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30 minutes ago, 13Mirch said:

In the past few years, owing to a boom in the field of Sikh Studies, we have witnessed a number of impressionable Sikh youth fall under the sway of Nihang Dals in Europe. Whereas the Dals of the past were famed for their martial prowess and political pull, their modern-day counterparts are nothing more than hollowed out shades. Budha-Dal UK, for all it's seva, has ultimately been backed in the corner owing to several factors:

1.) It was initially adamant that Nidar Singh was not connected, in any form, to the RSS. The man's own admission, and controversial actions at Nanded, flew in the face of their pretexts and ultimately they were forced to go into damage control mode.

2.) They stringently opposed Balbir Singh's Jathedari and promulgated Baba Joginder Singh Ji as Jathedar in the imprisoned Baba Surjit Singh Ji's stead. Baba Joginder Singh, slowly, was assimilated into Balbir Singh's faction and now openly supports him and espouses his chieftainship. 

3.) It cannot be denied that in his initial years Santa Singh performed seva for the Panth, but his connections with Congress are already well known among Nihangs and non-Nihangs alike. He openly espoused Giani Zail Singh's chief-ministry of Punjab, received a police escort, received governmental amnesty whenever he forcefully captured prime land or an eatery, and in the 80's was let off for having fellow Nihangs like Ranjit Singh Balangan and his family murdered. The UK Nihangs, contrary to history, are brainwashing their young acolytes into believing that he was some sage who opposed the "demonic" Sant Jarnail Singh or forewarned him against the Akalis- its an archetypal pretext from the Dal, "we don't support the Akalis, lets use this as an excuse whenever we shaft the Panth..."- no ready consensus is available, even from among the Nihangs themselves, as to what Santa Singh did: did he oppose the Dharam Yudh Morcha or did he endorse it? 

Such nefarious activities will surely prove detrimental in the future if not arrested swiftly. There needs to be pressure put on various foreign based Nihang Dals to implement transparency in their doings and provide a general indication of how they will resolve the historic differences which have crept up between them and the mainstream. Otherwise their present obsolescence will push them into oblivion in the near future.   

You are right i have seen this type of radicaliston in the uk i mean what are they trying to prove ? I mean the uk youth have never visted india punjab and they know nothing of the politic system aganda of these groups.

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29 minutes ago, 13Mirch said:

In the past few years, owing to a boom in the field of Sikh Studies, we have witnessed a number of impressionable Sikh youth fall under the sway of Nihang Dals in Europe. Whereas the Dals of the past were famed for their martial prowess and political pull, their modern-day counterparts are nothing more than hollowed out shades. Budha-Dal UK, for all it's seva, has ultimately been backed in the corner owing to several factors:

1.) It was initially adamant that Nidar Singh was not connected, in any form, to the RSS. The man's own admission, and controversial actions at Nanded, flew in the face of their pretexts and ultimately they were forced to go into damage control mode.

2.) They stringently opposed Balbir Singh's Jathedari and promulgated Baba Joginder Singh Ji as Jathedar in the imprisoned Baba Surjit Singh Ji's stead. Baba Joginder Singh, slowly, was assimilated into Balbir Singh's faction and now openly supports him and espouses his chieftainship. 

3.) It cannot be denied that in his initial years Santa Singh performed seva for the Panth, but his connections with Congress are already well known among Nihangs and non-Nihangs alike. He openly espoused Giani Zail Singh's chief-ministry of Punjab, received a police escort, received governmental amnesty whenever he forcefully captured prime land or an eatery, and in the 80's was let off for having fellow Nihangs like Ranjit Singh Balangan and his family murdered. The UK Nihangs, contrary to history, are brainwashing their young acolytes into believing that he was some sage who opposed the "demonic" Sant Jarnail Singh or forewarned him against the Akalis- its an archetypal pretext from the Dal, "we don't support the Akalis, lets use this as an excuse whenever we shaft the Panth..."- no ready consensus is available, even from among the Nihangs themselves, as to what Santa Singh did: did he oppose the Dharam Yudh Morcha or did he endorse it? 

Such nefarious activities will surely prove detrimental in the future if not arrested swiftly. There needs to be pressure put on various foreign based Nihang Dals to implement transparency in their doings and provide a general indication of how they will resolve the historic differences which have crept up between them and the mainstream. Otherwise their present obsolescence will push them into oblivion in the near future.   

but bro Guru Pita JI has defined who is a nihang , a true Khalsa who actually stands for truth and justice come what may ... Unfortunately it may become the situation that aam Khalsa will have to enhance their Miri Piri aspects outside the umbrella of the labels as it seems the only recent hereos have come from their midst.

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Forgive my ignorance, but where does/would Kamalroop Singh fall into all of this?

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45 minutes ago, MrDoaba said:

Forgive my ignorance, but where does/would Kamalroop Singh fall into all of this?

Weird bloke.. Just got excommunicated by the shaheed jathedar baba bahadur singh. Pretty knowledgeable dude but just weird.

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38 minutes ago, Singh123456777 said:

Weird bloke.. Just got excommunicated by the shaheed jathedar baba bahadur singh. Pretty knowledgeable dude but just weird.

Thanks for this.

In one week we've brought down two Singhs. First 'Gyani' Thakur Singh and now Dr Kamalroop Singh.

I don't know how much more I can take. Lol

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4 minutes ago, MrDoaba said:

Thanks for this.

In one week we've brought down two Singhs. First 'Gyani' Thakur Singh and now Dr Kamalroop Singh.

I don't know how much more I can take. Lol

Looool

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2 hours ago, MrDoaba said:

Thanks for this.

In one week we've brought down two Singhs. First 'Gyani' Thakur Singh and now Dr Kamalroop Singh.

I don't know how much more I can take. Lol

Think Parmjit, of Kashi House, might soon go down?

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45 minutes ago, 13Mirch said:

Think Parmjit, of Kashi House, might soon go down?

A Nihang trifecta. I'd say the odds are looking pretty good. The anti-Sanatan brigade already has him in their sights. Wouldn't you say he's already been brought down somewhat through his association with Niddar?

Although, I wouldn't have seen it coming with Kamalroop Singh. Now even he's being lumped together with Niddar.

Then again, personally, I don't know enough of the ins and outs of Nihang politics to make any comments which have much validity.

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28 minutes ago, MrDoaba said:

A Nihang trifecta. I'd say the odds are looking pretty good. The anti-Sanatan brigade already has him in their sights. Wouldn't you say he's already been brought down somewhat through his association with Niddar?

Although, I wouldn't have seen it coming with Kamalroop Singh. Now even he's being lumped together with Niddar.

Then again, personally, I don't know enough of the ins and outs of Nihang politics to make any comments which have much validity.

As someone whose nearest and dearest perished during the Delhi, Kanpur and Calcutta pogroms I have full empathy for Pav Singh's expose which- if there are any doubts- has only recently been published by Kashi House. But it seems quite uncanny that Kashi House would elect to publish such a book. I feel compelled to theorize that in the aftermath of Nidar and Parmjit's warm reception at Nanded, and Nidar Nang's messy divorce, the publication of this book is only an opportunity to gain more associates and play with their emotions. It might sound ludicrous, at this stage, but I am sure Parmjit and the Nang's upcoming four volume release on the Budha-Dal will simply undo Pav Singh's work. 

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3 hours ago, MrDoaba said:

Thanks for this.

In one week we've brought down two Singhs. First 'Gyani' Thakur Singh and now Dr Kamalroop Singh.

I don't know how much more I can take. Lol

I witnessed Thakur Singh shenanigans in New-Zealand, personally, but when I posted an article on this forum regarding Thakur Sio's gaaps our residential mahapurakh (at the time), a certain N30 S1NGH had the posts removed. 

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4 hours ago, Singh123456777 said:

Weird bloke.. Just got excommunicated by the shaheed jathedar baba bahadur singh. Pretty knowledgeable dude but just weird.

Tisarpanth is another site which, initially related to the Nihangs, has broken off with them. You can already see the war brewing on their facebook page. For example look at this present article and the byline for it on their blog:

 

 https://tisarpanthdotcom.wordpress.com/2017/12/14/heads-on-palms/

 

 

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Santa sio - pure <banned word filter activated> and sell out... where were his 'ladli fauj' during before and after bluestar? Instead he sold out bigtime.

Niddar - what a clown, in my mona sessioner days when I was young and impressionable he would tell me to ea continue to eat meat and that drinking was good for fighting and told me to stop lifting weights and going boxing LOL. Then this same <banned word filter activated> whose whole background story doesnt add up has the nerve to diss real singhs like Sant Ji and Parmar.

UK Nihangs - the hardcore ones can be seen on instagram acting like kaleh rappers and like they some sort of badmans and rebels of the Kaum who are better than others - please note this applies to what I have witnessed not every single one.

The inbetweeners - first they were AKJ/Taksali, then jumped on the Sursinghwala hype.

The clowns - all they do is big up nihang dals but when you ask them where were they during the movement or talk about todays jodeh such as hawara, rajoana etc then they get in a mood LOL

 

Overall, yeah we need Nihangs back in the Kaum, but if you want to be Nihangs, then live up to being one, so many dushmans of the Kaum out there aint going to get sorted by them giving it loads to their own brothers.

 

Bhul chuk maaf.

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      ਸਦਾ ਹੀ ਸੁਹਾਗਂਿ ਹੈ॥੧॥    Like a woman separated from her husband goes to ravish (be ravished by) other men, the man who turns away from Parmesar goes to serve devis and devtas. She has forsaken the Husband (Waheguru) in her heart and has been ensnared with duja bhav. She thinks it to be sweet, and eats it with relish, increasing the disease. She has abandoned the pure Husband and suffers separation. The one who is faithful to the Guru does devotional worship of Waheguru and embellishes herself being in God. Enshrining the name of Waheguru in her heart she obtains bliss. Obedient, she is always in marital bliss and the Creator Himself has allowed her to meet Him. Guru Nanak Dev ji says that whoever has found the true Husband, she is the true holder of marital bliss.  
    • Fair enough. While I'm in agreement that idol worship is not part of Sikhi, I believe the tuks you have posted have been posted out of context here. The bani above is referring to those whose spritual mode of worship is only idol worship. Those who think that Parmeshwar resides only in the idol. Those who have no other forms of worship and still think they are saved by doing puja of a pathar/image. That's not really what's happening in the video (I don't think so anyway). Do bear in mind I'm not completely justifying what they're doing. I would need to know more details before I could personally comment what side of the fence this lands on. For example, if this is a regular thing or only done on a certain day i.e. Vishwakarma Day etc, what they believe about Vishwakarma and what he represents for them, and what their intentions are as well as what their sharda and bhaavna is, in performing this Aarti? And of course their maksad. As I always say, things are rarely black and white.  
    • Brother, the reason we (or at least, some Sikhs) do Aarti of Guru Sahib is because we worship Guru Sahib. The reason it's a "big deal" is because it's spiritual adultery. Even if it were accepted that you can do aarti of a saint or elder, they are not doing that. They are not doing Aarti of Lord Vishwakarma, but rather of a picture of Vishwakarma, which sets them up for the spiritual transgression of idol worship. Guru Nanak Dev ji on idol worship: ਸਲੋਕ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥ Salok Mehalaa 1 || ਸਾਰੰਗ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ: (ਮਃ ੧) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਅੰਗ ੧੨੪੦  ਘਰਿ ਨਾਰਾਇਣੁ ਸਭਾ ਨਾਲਿ ॥ In your home, is the Lord God, along with all your other gods. ਪੂਜ ਕਰੇ ਰਖੈ ਨਾਵਾਲਿ ॥ You wash your stone gods and worship them. ਕੁੰਗੂ ਚੰਨਣੁ ਫੁਲ ਚੜਾਏ ॥ You offer saffron, sandalwood and flowers.   ਪੈਰੀ ਪੈ ਪੈ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਮਨਾਏ ॥ Falling at their feet, you try so hard to appease them.   ਮਾਣੂਆ ਮੰਗਿ ਮੰਗਿ ਪੈਨ੍ਹ੍ਹੈ ਖਾਇ ॥ Begging, begging from other people, you get things to wear and eat. ਅੰਧੀ ਕੰਮੀ ਅੰਧ ਸਜਾਇ ॥ For your blind deeds, you will be blindly punished. ਭੁਖਿਆ ਦੇਇ ਨ ਮਰਦਿਆ ਰਖੈ ॥ Your idol does not feed the hungry, or save the dying. ਅੰਧਾ ਝਗੜਾ ਅੰਧੀ ਸਥੈ ॥੧॥ The blind assembly argues in blindness. ||1|| ਸਾਰੰਗ ਵਾਰ (ਮਃ ੪) (੯) ਸ. (੧) ੧:੮ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੨੪੧ ਪੰ. ੨ 
      Raag Sarang Guru Nanak Dev   Guru Arjan Dev ji in Raag Bharo: ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ Mehala 5 || ਜੋ ਪਾਥਰ ਕਉ ਕਹਤੇ ਦੇਵ ॥ Those who call a stone their god ਤਾ ਕੀ ਬਿਰਥਾ ਹੋਵੈ ਸੇਵ ॥ Their service is useless. ਜੋ ਪਾਥਰ ਕੀ ਪਾਂਈ ਪਾਇ ॥ Those who fall at the feet of a stone god ਤਿਸ ਕੀ ਘਾਲ ਅਜਾਂਈ ਜਾਇ ॥੧॥ - their work is wasted in vain. ||1||   The people who do this (idol worship) will sink in the worldly ocean: ਕਬੀਰ ਪਾਹਨੁ ਪਰਮੇਸੁਰੁ ਕੀਆ ਪੂਜੈ ਸਭੁ ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ॥ Kabeer, someone sets up a stone idol and all the world worships it as the Lord. ਇਸ ਭਰਵਾਸੇ ਜੋ ਰਹੇ ਬੂਡੇ ਕਾਲੀ ਧਾਰ ॥੧੩੬॥ Those who hold to this belief will be drowned in the river of darkness. ||136|| ਸਲੋਕ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ (ਭ. ਕਬੀਰ) (੧੩੬):੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੩੭੧ ਪੰ. ੧੫ 
      Salok Bhagat Kabir    
    • Like I said maybe they shouldn't have been doing Aarti, not in the Gurdwara anyway. But the picture in itself shouldn't be a problem. Mahapurkhs have been known to keep pictures of Devi Devte, they weren't allergic to imagery, especially imagery you could say that makes up "Dharam" as a whole. Maybe not the picture shown in the video, but such imagery was commonplace and is part of our heritage. As is evident from the small selection of pictures I posted. The level of Hinduphobia amongst our people borders on idiocy.
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