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5 minutes ago, Dsinghdp said:

It would have been Sikh.

it would been all faiths, literate, numerate, artistically and musically rich . A major player in the world scene because of its GDP ...I don't think Kartar even remembers just how well administered the sikh kingdom was . Just swallowed the gorey propaganda hook, line and sinker

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3 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

It would have expanded southward over the Sutlej towards Delhi as there would be no Cis Sutlej agreement with the Brits. The Khalsa Empire would have expanded into Sindh  (since there are significant Nanakpanthis in Sindh ). Khalsa Empire would have a seaport since Sindh is by the coast. 

Very incisive analysis, brother. Personally, I would say that all this would have happened even if the British had come. The only reason we lost the Anglo-Sikh war was treachery. If we had won the war (which I think we would have if Maharaja Ranjit Singh had put in appropriate governmental structures, like the Panj Piyare as head of state), then basically all you said would also have happened, only a few decades later.

3 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

With coastal trade links, Sikhi would expand across the Indian Ocean.

Yeah, that's how Islam is said to have spread (initially) to SE Asia and to the West coast of India.

3 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

The Sikh population would be larger and I think more Hindus and Muslims would become Sikh.

Agree. Downtrodden "Hindus" would convert to Sikhism rather than Islam. And forcibly converted Muslims would see a route to revert from Islam, without having to adopt idol-worshipping or an unjust caste system.

3 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

With the Industrial Revolution in Europe and Meiji Restoration in Japan in the 1800's there may very well have been some kind of modernisation in industry with the Khalsa Empire. 

Right. To people who say we should be grateful to the British for bringing industrialization and railroads, I ask: Did Japan not have industry and railroads? So, yeah, we would have have Khalsa Rail.

3 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

The Punjabi Sikh diaspora would be far smaller because there would be no British Empire to spread the  Punjabi Sikh population far and wide.

Good point. The reason our parents came to the West is because of lack of opportunities in our homeland. With a free and prosperous Sikh kingdom (or India generally), we would never have had to leave. (In fact, they came to us: Ventura, Avitable, MacDonald, etc.)

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58 minutes ago, BhForce said:

Very incisive analysis, brother. Personally, I would say that all this would have happened even if the British had come. The only reason we lost the Anglo-Sikh war was treachery. If we had won the war (which I think we would have if Maharaja Ranjit Singh had put in appropriate governmental structures, like the Panj Piyare as head of state), then basically all you said would also have happened, only a few decades later.

Yeah, that's how Islam is said to have spread (initially) to SE Asia and to the West coast of India.

Agree. Downtrodden "Hindus" would convert to Sikhism rather than Islam. And forcibly converted Muslims would see a route to revert from Islam, without having to adopt idol-worshipping or an unjust caste system.

Right. To people who say we should be grateful to the British for bringing industrialization and railroads, I ask: Did Japan not have industry and railroads? So, yeah, we would have have Khalsa Rail.

Good point. The reason our parents came to the West is because of lack of opportunities in our homeland. With a free and prosperous Sikh kingdom (or India generally), we would never have had to leave. (In fact, they came to us: Ventura, Avitable, MacDonald, etc.)

We would also have a far deeper presence in the Gangetic Plains. 

No British, no East India Company, no Purbia /Bihari army with no mutiny. 

The last remaining mughals would have been finished off a lot quicker.  Awadh,  Agra,  Lucknow would have fallen into Sikh hands. 

There would be a link of Sikhi stretching all the way to Patna. 

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4 hours ago, BhForce said:

Very incisive analysis, brother. Personally, I would say that all this would have happened even if the British had come. The only reason we lost the Anglo-Sikh war was treachery. If we had won the war (which I think we would have if Maharaja Ranjit Singh had put in appropriate governmental structures, like the Panj Piyare as head of state), then basically all you said would also have happened, only a few decades later.

 

So where would one find 5 men who are pure Gurmakhs, AND able to handle the functions of an entire nation state? As well as be completely incorruptible. 

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