JAGTAR SINGH FreeJaggi

[Guest 5Rbagi]

Gurfateh ji

I don't feel like we're doing enough for Jaggi. Petitioning and protesting isn't getting us anywhere. The protest in London could hardly be called a protest for a start. 400 people turn up. 1-2 cops. What sort of a protest is that when the police just let you get on with it, don't even bother showing up. Lol it's a joke. They know we're too complaisant. Everyone's contacting their MPs, only a handful have made any sort of statement...  3? 5 max? They just don't give a monkeys. Britain's relationship with india is way too important. Now more than ever post brexit. They won't do shtt to jeopardise it. It's all about trade deals. It was in 84, it still is now. We need to wake the F up.

So my question is, what can we do?! We need to up the ante. "Apan hathi apna, apay he kaaj savariye". With our own hands let us resolve our own affairs. Waheguruji nothing is being done. Our brothers rights are nonexistent. Heck the British high commission representives failed to show up to the second hearing. No one's batting an eyelid in the gov. I'm fed up with petitions. I'm fed up with begging. I'm fed up with "protests"/ gatherings. Back in the day we courted arrests. Everyone knew something was going down. It showed we meant business and were willing to put everything on the line to get what we wanted. What happened to our anakh? Our sovereign mentality?! Such a sad state of affairs. I'm done begging. I'm doing complying. Enough is enough. Hadn't got us anywhere. And if you're scared of media reports IDGAF. There's no such thing as bad publicity. Would you sit back and write a letter to your MP if your brother mother sister was in jaggis shoes? No. So wake up.

Pul chuk muaf ji.

[Guest Kaur 2]

VJKK VJKF

17 hours ago, Guest 5Rbagi said:

Gurfateh ji

I don't feel like we're doing enough for Jaggi. Petitioning and protesting isn't getting us anywhere. The protest in London could hardly be called a protest for a start. 400 people turn up. 1-2 cops. What sort of a protest is that when the police just let you get on with it, don't even bother showing up. Lol it's a joke. They know we're too complaisant. Everyone's contacting their MPs, only a handful have made any sort of statement...  3? 5 max? They just don't give a monkeys. Britain's relationship with india is way too important. Now more than ever post brexit. They won't do shtt to jeopardise it. It's all about trade deals. It was in 84, it still is now. We need to wake the F up.

So my question is, what can we do?! We need to up the ante. "Apan hathi apna, apay he kaaj savariye". With our own hands let us resolve our own affairs. Waheguruji nothing is being done. Our brothers rights are nonexistent. Heck the British high commission representives failed to show up to the second hearing. No one's batting an eyelid in the gov. I'm fed up with petitions. I'm fed up with begging. I'm fed up with "protests"/ gatherings. Back in the day we courted arrests. Everyone knew something was going down. It showed we meant business and were willing to put everything on the line to get what we wanted. What happened to our anakh? Our sovereign mentality?! Such a sad state of affairs. I'm done begging. I'm doing complying. Enough is enough. Hadn't got us anywhere. And if you're scared of media reports IDGAF. There's no such thing as bad publicity. Would you sit back and write a letter to your MP if your brother mother sister was in jaggis shoes? No. So wake up.

Pul chuk muaf Ji.

I am very proud of you veerji. You are being very righteous and compassionate to someone who is less fortunate. What do you plan to do next? If we do it together then it will be more powerful. You are right, the Sikh community especially in the UK is just sitting back and waiting for things to happen. We actually need to get up and do something. This task should be our seva:

ਸਭ ਦੁਨੀਆ ਆਵਣ ਜਾਣੀਆ ॥੩॥ सभ दुनीआ आवण जाणीआ ॥३॥ Sabẖ ḏunī▫ā āvaṇ jāṇī▫ā. ||3|| All the world continues coming and going in reincarnation. ||3||

ਵਿਚਿ ਦੁਨੀਆ ਸੇਵ ਕਮਾਈਐ ॥ विचि दुनीआ सेव कमाईऐ ॥ vicẖ ḏunī▫ā sev kamā▫ī▫ai. In the midst of this world, do seva,

ਤਾ ਦਰਗਹ ਬੈਸਣੁ ਪਾਈਐ ॥ ता दरगह बैसणु पाईऐ ॥ Ŧā ḏargėh baisaṇ pā▫ī▫ai. and you shall be given a place of honor in the Court of the Lord.         Ang 26 VJKK VJKF!

[Guest Moose]

I'm honestly surprised by the lack of concern on this forum about Jaggi. Maybe it's because he doesn't wear a turban and trims his beard?

While I like your spirit, I don't think threat and violence will get us anywhere and I don't think we've exhausted all avenues of protest. I've written to my MP. I live in a place where there aren't many Sikhs and my email is the only one of two my MP has got on the subject. I'm meeting him tomorrow to get him to ask Boris Johnson to #FreeJaggiNow.

Seriously impressed by the organisation that has gone into this campaign - pre-drafted letters, hashtags etc. It's protesting with one voice rather than acting like a unorganised mob. If we keep acting in a peaceful organised way, hopefully people will finally recognise us as a community rather than 'nutters with towels on their heads brandishing swords' as in one media portrayal. 

[Kira]

18 hours ago, Guest Kaur 2 said:

VJKK VJKF

I am very proud of you veerji. You are being very righteous and compassionate to someone who is less fortunate. What do you plan to do next? If we do it together then it will be more powerful. You are right, the Sikh community especially in the UK is just sitting back and waiting for things to happen. We actually need to get up and do something. This task should be our seva:

ਸਭ ਦੁਨੀਆ ਆਵਣ ਜਾਣੀਆ ॥੩॥ सभ दुनीआ आवण जाणीआ ॥३॥ Sabẖ ḏunī▫ā āvaṇ jāṇī▫ā. ||3|| All the world continues coming and going in reincarnation. ||3||

ਵਿਚਿ ਦੁਨੀਆ ਸੇਵ ਕਮਾਈਐ ॥ विचि दुनीआ सेव कमाईऐ ॥ vicẖ ḏunī▫ā sev kamā▫ī▫ai. In the midst of this world, do seva,

ਤਾ ਦਰਗਹ ਬੈਸਣੁ ਪਾਈਐ ॥ ता दरगह बैसणु पाईऐ ॥ Ŧā ḏargėh baisaṇ pā▫ī▫ai. and you shall be given a place of honor in the Court of the Lord.         Ang 26 VJKK VJKF!

you should make an account penji. 

[Guest Kaur 2]

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3 hours ago, Kira said:

you should make an account penji. 

I forgot my password and then I reset it but nothing came up in my emails so...  

Sort of stuck now... can't access my account.

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[Kira]

2 hours ago, Guest Kaur 2 said:

VJKK VJKF

I forgot my password and then I reset it but nothing came up in my emails so...  

Sort of stuck now... can't access my account.

VJKK VJKF

make a new one no big deal.

[Guest Kaur 2]

VJKK VJKF

1 hour ago, Kira said:

make a new one no big deal.

Another problem... I only have one email and I don't want to make another one

hehe

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[Guest Kaur 2]

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I'll stay as a guest you all know me anyways...

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[Premi5]

On 20/11/2017 at 7:31 PM, Guest Moose said:

I'm honestly surprised by the lack of concern on this forum about Jaggi. Maybe it's because he doesn't wear a turban and trims his beard?

 

Don't think so. 

This website is not accessed much relative to number of Sikhs in the UK; this is true of Sikh forums online in general 

The Singh/Singhnis in prison for the General Brar incident and the Leicester guys-not any more online or otherwise support for them that I've seen compared to this case 

[S4NGH]

10 hours ago, Premi5 said:

Don't think so. 

This website is not accessed much relative to number of Sikhs in the UK; this is true of Sikh forums online in general 

The Singh/Singhnis in prison for the General Brar incident and the Leicester guys-not any more online or otherwise support for them that I've seen compared to this case 

Brushed under the carpet. Out of sight out of mind. Pity.