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3 minutes ago, BhForce said:

Do you have a reference (even better, an online link) to the specific part of Rig Ved that says this? It would be very handy.

I read direct quotes from the veds but this page has many collected together

 

 

http://adishakti.org/_/prophecies_about_guru_nanak_in_hindu_vedas.htm

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3 hours ago, Guest Reply said:

Why did guru gobind Singh need binding from Mughal army if he was God ?

What do you mean by binding? If you have a pile of papers, and you fuse or sew them on one end to create a book, that's called binding. 

Guru Gobind Singh ji would not need binding for the simple reason that Guru Gobind Singh ji is not a sheaf of papers!

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2 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

bro even Rig Veda told Brahmins that Kalyug and Eternal Avtar Guru will be named Nanak that after him will be ten Gurus the last being Munn = Silent ...if your own faith's writings don't put anything faith in you another's highest writings tell you he is the one full Avtar

 

That source is something I was aware of but have never seen, would be amazing if you could link it for me too. Preferably the chapter and so on, I'm not doubting your knowledge. I just wish to expand my own in this.

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5 hours ago, Guest Reply said:

 

@Kira your answers are really dumb.

bhai lena was a Hindu guru angad was not ... what stupid logic - he was the same person regardless of name change 

gurus allowed themselves 2 to be killed - lol - so they commited suicide ?

guru harikrishan finished his mission. And what was that exactly? If he was God then obviously he hasn't as there were 2 more gurus after him. Might I add the kalsa was formed after him. Huru harkrishan didn't leave any  sayings or works ... what kind of God allows himself to die from a desease humans can cure?

And you didn't answer my question about their children - are they demigods? How can God have sex with mortals? 

Why did guru gobind Singh need binding from Mughal army if he was God ? Guru gobind also never entered Amritsar because of rival gurus? How can that be if he was God? 

I can go on all day - none of this makes sense - gurus were human beings ... anyone with half a brain  can see - keep imur Hindu beliefs to your self ...

What's dumb is your closed mindset. Again and again gurbani tells us Guru and God are one and the same, there's no difference. And yet you keep fighting your lost corner as though you somehow have more intellect than Guru? Yeah it's pretty obvious who's dumb here. It's fine to come here and ask questions with a genuine desire to learn but your lack of decorum proves otherwise. Keep your Christian missionary/ Muslim dawah arguments to yourself.

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6 hours ago, Guest Reply said:

 

@Kira your ansiters are really dumb.

bhai lena was a Hindu guru angad was not .oo.. what stupid logic - he was thue same person regardless of name change 

gurus allowed themselves 2 to be killed - lol - so they commited suicide ?

guru harikrishan finished his mission. And what was that exactly? If he was God then obviously he hasn't as there were 2 more gurus after him. Might I add the kalsa was formed after him. Huru harkrishan didn't leave any  sayings or works ... what kind of God allows himself to die from a desease humans can cure?

And you didn't answer my question about their children - are they demigods? How can God have sex with mortals? 

Why did guru gobind Singh need binding from Mughal army if he was God ? Guru gobind also never entered Amritsar because of rival gurus? How can that be if he was God? 

I can go on all day - none of this makes sense - gurus were human beings ... anyone with half a brain  can see - keep imur Hindu beliefs to your self ...

 

 

The Gurus did not allow themselves to be killed- they gave shahidhi. The Gurus obeyed ythe will of God.

So you think giving shahidhi Is a joke!!!!! Only the most pious souls can do It. The hukam of God Is supreme and giving It more Importance than ones own life would not be right at all.

If you cannot accept that the Gurus were divine, then you cannot understand the basics of sikhi at all!!!!

How can you even join the name suicide to the Gurus. You obviously have a great amount of reading to do and sort out facts In your mind many religious facts!!!!!!

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@Kira"

The Guru Sahib's wives were incarnations of Adi-Shakti, I'll explain this concept to you since you'll have a heart attack and call it Brahmvaad. 

Adi-Shakti is the primal energy of Akaal Purkh, his power.  The Sahibzaade were probably bhagats in previous lives."

where on earth did you dig out that stuff -bloody hell you guys make up stuff without flinching - can u give me proof of the above !

sorry I meant Hiding not binding @BhForce he was hidden by 2 Muslim - their decedents were given lots of land in Punjab recently as a reward for their ancestors bravery in helping guru ji. God doesnt need help ! Duh

@sikhni777  You guys seem to be confused- on one hand the gurus let them selves be killed ( quote " head just fell off") on the other hand they are shaheed? make you mind up - I'm not the one saying suicide, I agree with the shaheed narrative - but God is free from that. 

also where does it say guru harkrishan cured smallpox, where's the referance - seems kind of ironic he would die from the very dresease he supposedly cured lol that's like Jesus dying from leprosy. Common on guys - are you really that thick?

ok if the Gurus were indeed God, why weren't they worshiped? From all the scripture they used to worship God - because they weren't Gods! 

All this is from Hinduism - make anything into God. Anyone read the mool mantra at all - and don't play the satgun, nargun card

use ur logic here ... 

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8 minutes ago, Guest Guest guest said:

@Kira

where on earth did you dig out that stuff -bloody hell you guys make up stuff without flinching - can u give me proof of the above !

 

Dasam Granth is proof of that. Along side various scriptures written by Sikhs in the 18th/19th century. But of course, all those people are wrong. You're 100% right, I mean what would they know? Maha Kavi Sankokh Singh Ji spent 40 years researching and gathering all the information, but of course he decided to become a Hindu and write it all about Hinduism, I mean let's just discard it and throw away all our history.

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sorry I meant Hiding not binding @BhForce he was hidden by 2 Muslim - their decedents were given lots of land in Punjab recently as a reward for their ancestors bravery in helping guru ji. God doesnt need help ! Duh

That was the order of the 5 Pyare you dolt, They told Guru Sahib he had to survive and hide. Which he did.  Are you going to argue against Gurbani that calls Guru Nanak Dev Ji through to Guru Arjun Dev Ji as being God? wow. I see how it is, you think you know better than Gurbani.

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You guys seem to be confused- on one hand the gurus let them selves be killed ( quote " head just fell off") on the other hand they are shaheed? make you mind up - I'm not the one saying suicide, I agree with the shaheed narrative - but God is free from that. 

This alone speaks volumes of how little and narrow minded your brain is. Firstly the giving of the head was an excuse to orchestrate the fall of the Mughal empire, in-fact that marked a turning point. 

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also where does it say guru harkrishan cured smallpox, where's the referance - seems kind of ironic he would die from the very dresease he supposedly cured lol that's like Jesus dying from leprosy. Common on guys - are you really that thick?

Suraj Prakash Granth. If you want to argue against it, argue with the Historian who compiled it, I would love to see your pHD and research into puratan Sikh sources. 

The smallpox was an EXCUSE to pass on the Gurghaddi, for a simpleton like you that's a difficult thing to understand I presume. 

It's hilarious that, this simple explanation blows your mind. Will you now doubt that Baba Deep Singh Ji fought without his head? that Guru Nanak Dev Ji mad Mecca revolve? 

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ok if the Gurus were indeed God, why weren't they worshiped? From all the scripture they used to worship God - because they weren't Gods! 

They encouraged the Nirgun worship of God but Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji outright even states Guru Nanak Dev Ji was God. 

ਗੁਰ ਨਾਨਕ ਦੇਵ ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ਰੂਪ ॥੮॥੧॥ 
 

^ if you think that line is wrong and completely false then you may stop calling yourself a Sikh.

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All this is from Hinduism - make anything into God. Anyone read the mool mantra at all - and don't play the satgun, nargun card

Do you even know what it means? not the translation but have you actually done an in-depth study of it? Oh boy if I didn't know any better this is just Sukhvirk changing facades again. 

Mool Mantar addresses the Sargun AND Nirgun aspects of God. If believing that God resides in everything and everyone is Hinduism then please, you're in the wrong religion. Frankly every ancient text in Sikhism proclaims Guru Nanak Dev Ji was aap parmeshwar, but let me guess. All of them are wrong and you're right. Brahmgyan eluded the sikhs of old but somehow Guru Sahib has impart it onto you so you can help all us mere mortals.

 

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ਤੈਸੇ ਿਬਸੱ ਰੂਪ ਤੇ ਅਭੂਤ ਭੂਤ ਪ੍ਰਗਟ ਹੋਿੲ ਤਾਹੀ ਤੇ ੳੁਪਜ ਸਬੈ ਤਾਹੀ ਮੈ ਸਮਾਿਹੰਗੇ ॥੧੭॥੮੭॥

 

i have heard the explanation from a uch awastha sant, he said 

you can see gold in two ways, crude gold without any proper shape,

nd its fine finished jewelry, these two parts are same also in one sense but it looks in two different ways.

similarly, when God takes aa body, he becomes avatar.

meaning of “ajooni” ,  it simply means he don’t need to be in body like we have to, in order to clear our accounts. But it also not mean that HE cant have a body.

there is absolutely no ban on HIM for not taking a body, all gurus were God himself.

 

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Guestguestguest is so confused! !!!! No offensive posts from guests should be allowed. I am surprised that raag mala, dasam granth etc arennot allowed to be debated.... yet we can slander sri Guru Har Krishan Jis contribution to sikhi to our hearts content with profane language referring to the death and suicide of the Gurus. Truly these posts have been the lowest I have ever read anywhere. 

Very very sad. Very very bad. ...

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On 11/11/2017 at 8:40 AM, sikhni777 said:

It certainly seems a Christian belief as they believe only In God. They believe Jesus to be his son, not his spirit or jot. However we believe all the Gurus had his jot. Not only that, but also Ram, Krishna etc were a roop of God, however In different yugs.

Well, Sikhs don't merely believe Gurus had God's jot, but that they are (present tense) God. And also that the Gurus were not a roop of God like the avatars were (like Ram, Krishan).

Sant Gurbachan Singh Bhindrawale states quite clearly that Sri Ram had 16 powers, but the powers of Guru Nanak Dev ji are limitless.

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15 hours ago, Guest Reply said:

And you didn't answer my question about their children - are they demigods? How can God have sex with mortals? 

Why did guru gobind Singh need binding from Mughal army if he was God ? Guru gobind also never entered Amritsar because of rival gurus? How can that be if he was God? 

Before any of us engages further with you, you need to state what you claim to be: Muslim, Christian, Hindu, atheist, or whatever?

Then we can have a conversation on that basis.

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15 minutes ago, BhForce said:

Well, Sikhs don't merely believe Gurus had God's jot, but that they are (present tense) God. And also that the Gurus were not a roop of God like the avatars were (like Ram, Krishan).

Sant Gurbachan Singh Bhindrawale states quite clearly that Sri Ram had 16 powers, but the powers of Guru Nanak Dev ji are limitless.

Is there an audio of Santji saying this? Could you please share? Thanks ji

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33 minutes ago, sikhni777 said:

Guestguestguest is so confused! !!!! No offensive posts from guests should be allowed. I am surprised that raag mala, dasam granth etc arennot allowed to be debated.... yet we can slander sri Guru Har Krishan Jis contribution to sikhi to our hearts content with profane language referring to the death and suicide of the Gurus. Truly these posts have been the lowest I have ever read anywhere. 

Very very sad. Very very bad. ...

Let the dog bark. He's obviously not here with a genuine desire to learn. His head is stuck too far up his behind.

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Oooh I'm being rude - I'm defending the gurus from slander - and the Sikh pant - 

i do appologise for not taking the time to write ji after the gurus but I'm so furious at some of these posts i can barley write.

what am I? Why don't you tell me which branch of the RSS you belong to and then I'll tell you which sangat I follow - I'm not a sheep that's for sure 

"the fall of the head was a symbol of the end of the Mughal empire " but it wasn't ! It stay strong until aurengzeb died - read a history book for once. 

Oh so guru gobind took advice from the 5 payee - ok why would God take advice from 5 humans to hide from other mortals ? Seriously think for a second 

Surah Prakash Granth ? Huh when did this Granth come out ? Never heard of it ... another one from the RSS printing press?

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7 hours ago, BhForce said:

Well, Sikhs don't merely believe Gurus had God's jot, but that they are (present tense) God. And also that the Gurus were not a roop of God like the avatars were (like Ram, Krishan).

Sant Gurbachan Singh Bhindrawale states quite clearly that Sri Ram had 16 powers, but the powers of Guru Nanak Dev ji are limitless.

Bhaji, Ram Chandar Ji had 14, while Krishna had 16.

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