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Hindu Sikh relations in 2017

How are the relations between these two communities

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Sorry what do u mean by this. The majority of Punjabi Hindus want communal harmony and love between our two communities

 

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4 hours ago, Guest Punjabi Hindu said:

Sorry what do u mean by this. The majority of Punjabi Hindus want communal harmony and love between our two communities

What do you think of what Sikhs want ? Bad rift between them or wanted peace between them? What do you think of what Sikh community wants.. 

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On 10/22/2017 at 3:57 PM, Guest Punjabi Hindu said:

Hindu Sikh relations in 2017

How are the relations between these two communities

They're good on the surface level, but I don't see much love deep down for each other. Both groups although interact are very segregated from each other. I assume we are diverging exponentially. Both don't really know much about each other's customs and therefore I can only see this cleaving further.

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The apt representation of relationship of Hindus and Sikhs is like that of Kauravas and Pandavas.

Hindus = Kurus

Sikhs = Pandavas (5) 

Both were cousins, but kurus always tried to humiliate Pandavas by taking their throne , eating their share of inheritance , and humilating them and their women.

Kurus were more in number and had more power and support of sages and the like , had more resources than Pandavas.

But God was in support of Pandavas and we know how it ended with the kurus.

As kurus did to pandus , so are the Hindus did/ still doing to Sikhs. 

"Muh pe bhaai , peeth peeche kasaai" 

Everyone is aware of RSS agenda.

I believe mahabharat is not an epic of past but of future to come . That would explain why it had weapons resembling modern day nuclear weapons .

 

Ok lets forget about Hindus and Sikhs for a moment. Hindu nationalist organizations like to make up stuff out of thin air , like "dharmic brotherhood" , a uniting feeling of Indian born religions - Hindus , Sikhs, Buddhists and Jains.

Sikhism is still a child if one looks at religions based on their age, so one should see Hindus interaction with Buddhists and Jains. 

Pushyamitra Shunga, ruler of Shunga empire , who was a brahmin himself ordered the destruction of buddhist monasteries and nalanda and taxila , and rewarded anyone who would come with the head of a buddhist monk.

Jains were massacred similary and their temples destroyed.

So this "dharmic brotherhood" is a farce. Because brahmins can never tolerate anything which challenges their social order of 4 varnas based on Purusha sukta of rig veda.

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Having said this I would still say I don't have anything personally against Hindus . I find upanishads marvellous and enticing . I have hindu friends . I am just against hindus showing the middle finger to sikhs in punjab. 

Punjab belongs to Sikhs , this much share atleast the sikhs deserve in this country . The fact that sikhs are being robbed of their distinctive identity and their political power by hindus in RSS and other hindutva organization should be a shame for hindus worldwide.

Don't blame sikhs for the rift in hindus and sikhs. Perhaps do a little introspection .

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1 hour ago, TejS said:

They're good on the surface level, but I don't see much love deep down for each other. Both groups although interact are very segregated from each other. I assume we are diverging exponentially. Both don't really know much about each other's customs and therefore I can only see this cleaving further.

The problem is hindus atleast from the RSS and affiliated organizations have a hard time respecting the distinctive identity of indian religions in general and sikhism in particular.

They go with bizzare comments like "you're born from us" to sikhs , buddhists and jains.

AGREED that many of the philosophical and social customs we see in 4 indian religions were originally from Hindu religion, this still doesn't merit the broadening of chest in a disrespectful way.

It is very rude to try to define others. Let them define themselves. I don't' see myself bullying a ravidasia into accepting that he's a sikh sect.

I am just as infurious when a sikh boastfully and disrespectfully claim that hindus are nothing without sikhs saving them.

We need to enjoy our commonalities and respect our differences in opinion , but i don't see that happening from either side.

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4 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

The apt representation of relationship of Hindus and Sikhs is like that of Kauravas and Pandavas.

Hindus = Kurus

Sikhs = Pandavas (5) 

Both were cousins, but kurus always tried to humiliate Pandavas by taking their throne , eating their share of inheritance , and humilating them and their women.

Kurus were more in number and had more power and support of sages and the like , had more resources than Pandavas.

But God was in support of Pandavas and we know how it ended with the kurus.

As kurus did to pandus , so are the Hindus did/ still doing to Sikhs. 

"Muh pe bhaai , peeth peeche kasaai" 

Everyone is aware of RSS agenda.

I believe mahabharat is not an epic of past but of future to come . That would explain why it had weapons resembling modern day nuclear weapons .

 

Ok lets forget about Hindus and Sikhs for a moment. Hindu nationalist organizations like to make up stuff out of thin air , like "dharmic brotherhood" , a uniting feeling of Indian born religions - Hindus , Sikhs, Buddhists and Jains.

Sikhism is still a child if one looks at religions based on their age, so one should see Hindus interaction with Buddhists and Jains. 

Pushyamitra Shunga, ruler of Shunga empire , who was a brahmin himself ordered the destruction of buddhist monasteries and nalanda and taxila , and rewarded anyone who would come with the head of a buddhist monk.

Jains were massacred similary and their temples destroyed.

So this "dharmic brotherhood" is a farce. Because brahmins can never tolerate anything which challenges their social order of 4 varnas based on Purusha sukta of rig veda.

The analogy is so true! Great introspection man.

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Should we really let our communal relations die due to what the Congress Hindus did

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On 10/24/2017 at 11:30 AM, Guest Punjabi Hindus said:

Should we really let our communal relations die due to what the Congress Hindus did

The history of the Punjabi Hindu after the annexation of the Punjab was one of disloyalty to both Punjab and their mother tongue Punjabi. Under the Sikh rule the Hindus were able to practice their religion without any restrictions for the first time in a thousand years. Yet a few decades after British took over Punjab the Punjabi Hindus were joining anti-Sikh organisations like the Arya Samaj and advocating Hindi as the language of Punjab. The Punjabi Hindu leadership supported the mahants against the Akalis. They only made common cause with Sikhs in 1946-47 because they knew only the Sikhs would be able to withstand the Pakstan demand. Yet soon after partition the Punjabi Hindus were back to their usual traitorous ways and denying Punjabi language and opposed every demand that was for the benefit of Punjab.

You may be right that the Congress was responsible for the massacres of 1984 but the foundations of their genocidal policies were provided by the Hindu Punjabi over the centuries. 

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On 24/10/2017 at 4:00 PM, Guest Punjabi Hindus said:

Should we really let our communal relations die due to what the Congress Hindus did

Its not about Congress or Hindus brother ! 

Its about what RSS has done and is still doing , namely that of spreading misinformation about sikh religion .

Sikh Gurus were worshippers of what Hinduism calls "Parbrahm" ( the god of gods , the first , the inbetween and the last) . Hindus call it om or parbrahm or brahm (not 'brahma') . Sikhs call it Akaal purakh or waheguru or parbrahm or brahm.

We don't have much philosophical differences or conflicts with upanishadic hindu philosophy. The problem is trouble-makers , which were in congress and now are in RSS/BJP too . 

Why can't they simply accept the great land of india gave birth to the 4 great religions (Indian religions) , rather than being arrogant that Hinduism is the father of every religion in subcontinent.

Then they say Guru Gobind Singh ji (for whom guru ji is a nationalist) was a worshipper of Durga/Bhavani . Such utter nonsense ! 

With all due respect to the hindu goddess of power , but Guru Gobind Singh ji NEVER worshipped anything other than Parbrahm.

In his own baani , the guru writes

"Anhad roop anaahad baani , Charan Saran jeh basat Bhawani" (from Tav Prasad Chaupai)

(The lord parbrahm's/waheguru's form are endless and speech is unstruck . Even goddess bhavani takes refuge in his feet) 

 

In start of "Chandi di vaar" baani based on war of goddess and daityas, guru ji says 

"You alone, O god, created durga and destroyed the demons.

Taking power from you alone , Raam killed raavan with arrows.

Krishna took power from you and dragged kansa by hair.

The biggest of sages spent their bodies trying to understand you for ages, but none could find your limits"

(beginning verses of Chandi di vaar)

Tell me a person who says even goddess bhavani and all other gods / goddesses take refuge in feet of parbrahm, would that person worship anything other than parbrahm ?

Then what are the agendas ??

 

Trying to forcefully convince sikhs that they're hindus is very rude and aurangzeb-like.

Secondly , you need to also look at all the ruckus the shiv-sena and hindutva street gangs are doing in punjab .

Now tell me are sikhs alone to blame for the cracks in hindu-sikh relationships.

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Also check this out .. 

This woman is number one right-wing troll on social media . She frequently uses vitriolic language against sikhs, like in this tweet

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6 minutes ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

Also check this out .. 

This woman is number one right-wing troll on social media . She frequently uses vitriolic language against sikhs, like in this tweet

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these bandarian don't even know word one of Indian history , kal ki shokrian banni phirdia propaganda mouthpieces , one question why do they have to be under 20 and dolled up when we know most kattard hinduvta girls have boy haircuts or look tragic , maybe appealing to the smaller brains of guys

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raghunath Rao was king in peshwa and just gave up the town without a second thought to fighting  , nowhere does it claim any maratha king fought in AMritsar locale let alone protecting it . 

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