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This question has been eating at me for quite a long time now. I thought that maya what something that distracts us from Vaheguru so why do people call their daughters maya? Do you think it comes from Bollywood? Just a thought.

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5 minutes ago, Guest Kaur 2 said:

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This question has been eating at me for quite a long time now. I thought that maya what something that distracts us from Vaheguru so why do people call their daughters maya? Do you think it comes from Bollywood? Just a thought.

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You're not alone in wondering why people do this. As far as my observations, people who name thier daughters maya don't have a clue what maya is or the concept of maya. These people tend to be Sikh in name only.

They do it purely to be modern while keeping an 'indian flavour' to thier childs name.

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There is a Sikh girl named Amaya. I would not say that her parents belong to the religious group. 

People in our community tend to believe that Sikhi gives you options to choose. Well, God has given all the free will to choose between religion and maya and between specifically which religion you would want to follow.

However, God is also the one who makes people forget about him and he is the one who reminds people about his existence too. 

Tudh aap vishoreya aap milaya. 

We as Sikhs need to understand that God is still in control. Who are we to judge people. 

A good example is if you met Jagraj Singh before he was a devoted Sikh, would you have the same to say about him 10 years later?

You never know who God is going to choose to become a devoted and blessed Gursikh next. 

Apne karam ki ghat mae kya jaanu, says bhagat Ji. 

Judging others is wrong. Looking at so and so and criticizing them is wrong. We are supposed to look at our own selves. If we keep looking at others, then we are neglecting ourselves - it is ourselves that we need to improve. 

Hum nahi change bura nahi koi.

Realise that everybody is at a different level - however we will all get there in the end.

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57 minutes ago, Guest Kaur 2 said:

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This question has been eating at me for quite a long time now. I thought that maya what something that distracts us from Vaheguru so why do people call their daughters maya? Do you think it comes from Bollywood? Just a thought.

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Because it sounds trendy and fashionable and they don't know what it actually means.

It's like those people who get Chinese writing tattoos on their arms.

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It would be more concerning if their child had a naam sanskar when they were born. (Assuming their parents are religious)

Otherwise, so be it :)

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Maya can be good or bad. Maya is illusion which keeps the world asleep and enslaved, which is bad. But its also God as well,  As God is the ultimate illusionist as well, since he also fools the world when he wishes. Not sure if its a good name for a child though. The context is vital guys, 1 word can have multiple meanings so the context determines the arth. 

E.G - Kaal can mean death, time etc and so on.

Anyone know any Puratan Singhs or Singhnis by its name? I know certain names were avoided at the time, was this one of them?

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1 hour ago, Kira said:

The context is vital guys, 1 word can have multiple meanings so the context determines the arth. 

Anyone know any Puratan Singhs or Singhnis by its name? I know certain names were avoided at the time, was this one of them?

This is a very good point. But tbh the people who name their child maya probably don't concern themselves with such matters. The only context which matters is that it sounds modern, fashionable etc. However, if these people provided some valid reasoning for their choice such as the name referring to Maya Devi/Lakshmi Ji, I'd be less likely to dismiss it. Even so, in Sikhi the word maya usually has negative connotations or is at least perceived to.

I asked my Dadi and she strongly objected to the name saying "sade ni eh naa rakhde". Occasionally the oldies are right.

In your opinion what are some other names which would have been avoided?

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Waheguru ji ka khalsa

Waheguru ji ki fateh

Mahan Kosh Encyclopedia {ਸੰਗ੍ਯਾ}. ਮਾਤਾ. ਮਾਂ. "ਆਪਿ ਪਿਤਾ, ਆਪਿ ਮਾਇਆ". (ਸੂਹੀ ਛੰਤ ਮਃ ੫) "ਤੂ ਹਰਿ ਪਿਤਾ ਮਾਇਆ". (ਸ੍ਰੀ ਮਃ ੫)। (2) ਸੰ. ਮਾਯਾ. ਕਪਟ. ਛਲ. ਦੰਭ. ਦੇਖੋ, ਮਾ ਧਾ. "ਇਹੁ ਤਨੁ ਮਾਇਆ ਪਾਹਿਆ ਪਿਆਰੇ, ਲੀਤੜਾ ਲਬਿ ਰੰਗਾਏ". (ਤਿਲੰ ਮਃ ੧)। (3) ਭੁਲੇਖਾ. ਭ੍ਰਮ. ਅਵਿਦ੍ਯਾ. "ਕੋਈ ਐਸੋ ਰੇ ਭਗਤੁ ਜੁ ਮਾਇਆ ਤੇ ਰਹਿਤ". (ਧਨਾ ਅਃ ਮਃ ੫) "ਏਹ ਮਾਇਆ, ਜਿਤੁ ਹਰਿ ਵਿਸਰੈ ਮੋਹੁ ਉਪਜੈ ਭਾਉ ਦੂਜਾ ਲਾਇਆ". (ਅਨੰਦੁ)। (4) ਲਕ੍ਸ਼੍‍ਮੀ. ਧਨ ਸੰਪਦਾ. "ਮਾਇਆ ਕਾਰਨਿ ਧਾਵਹੀ ਮੂਰਖ ਲੋਗ ਅਜਾਨ". (ਸਃ ਮਃ ੯)। (5) ਜਗਤਰਚਨਾ ਦਾ ਕਾਰਣ ਰੂਪ ਈਸ਼੍ਵਰ ਦੀ ਸ਼ਕਤਿ. "ਮਾਇਆ ਮਾਈ ਤ੍ਰੈ ਗੁਣ ਪਰਸੂਤਿ ਜਮਾਇਆ". (ਮਾਰੂ ਸੋਲਹੇ ਮਃ ੩)। (6) ਮਯਾ. ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ. ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦ. "ਤਿਂਹ ਮੇਲਹੁ ਜਿਂਹ ਕਰਹੋ ਮਾਇਆ". (ਗੁਪ੍ਰਸੂ) "ਨਹੀ ਮਾਇਆ ਮਾਖੀ". (ਮਾਰੂ ਸੋਲਹੇ ਮਃ ੧) ਨ ਮਯਾ ਹੈ ਨ ਮਾਸ (ਕ੍ਰੋਧ) ਹੈ. ਦੇਖੋ, ਮਾਖੀ ੪। (7) ਬੁੱਧ ਭਗਵਾਨ ਦੀ ਮਾਤਾ। (8) ਹਿੰਦੂਆਂ ਦੀਆਂ ਪ੍ਰਧਾਨ ਪੁਰੀਆਂ ਵਿੱਚੋਂ ਇੱਕ ਪੁਰੀ. ਹਰਿਦ੍ਵਾਰ ਤੋਂ ਕਨਖਲ ਤੀਕ ਦੀ ਆਬਾਦੀ. "ਮਥੁਰਾ ਮਾਇਆ ਅਜੁੱਧਿਆ". (ਭਾਗੁ ਕ). Mahan Kosh data provided by Bhai Baljinder Singh (RaraSahib Wale); See http://www.ik13.com

Source - http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Maya

Below is a thought provoking verse related to Maya -

ਕਹਿ ਕਬੀਰ ਜਿਸੁ ਉਦਰੁ ਤਿਸੁ ਮਾਇਆ ॥: Kahi Kabeer jis udar tis maya:

Says Kabir, the mammon afflicts any one who has needs (belly).  

ਉਦਰੁ = ਢਿੱਡ।
ਕਬੀਰ ਆਖਦਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ (ਮੁੱਕਦੀ ਗੱਲ ਇਹ ਹੈ ਕਿ) ਜਿਸ ਨੂੰ ਢਿੱਡ ਲੱਗਾ ਹੋਇਆ ਹੈ ਉਸ ਨੂੰ (ਭਾਵ, ਹਰੇਕ ਜੀਵ ਨੂੰ) ਮਾਇਆ ਵਿਆਪ ਰਹੀ ਹੈ।

Source - http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1160&g=1&h=1&r=1&t=2&p=0&k=1

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4 hours ago, MrDoaba said:

This is a very good point. But tbh the people who name their child maya probably don't concern themselves with such matters. The only context which matters is that it sounds modern, fashionable etc. However, if these people provided some valid reasoning for their choice such as the name referring to Maya Devi/Lakshmi Ji, I'd be less likely to dismiss it. Even so, in Sikhi the word maya usually has negative connotations or is at least perceived to.

 

That's true but it depends on the Granth you consult, in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maya is the illusion that the world sleeps in, the deceiver and the blocker to the pure nirgun saroop of Akaal, but in Sarbloh Granth Sahib, Guru Ji also writes "Adi Bhavani Esari Maya ta ko naam" translating roughly to the Primal giver of life is also known as Maya (in this context we can say Maya could be illusionist orrr generous), maya also being the power of Akaal Purkh that created all life.

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I asked my Dadi and she strongly objected to the name saying "sade ni eh naa rakhde". Occasionally the oldies are right.

Yeah I can get why your Dadi is against it, the oldies aren't all senile haha.

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In your opinion what are some other names which would have been avoided?

This is something my oldies taught me, that certain names should be avoided. I know some Sikhs dislike using the name Inder as they believe it refers to Indra Devta, but I had heard a Katha  a while back about how important naming a child is, as the name can have a psychological and spiritual effect on them. 

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47 minutes ago, Kira said:

That's true but it depends on the Granth you consult, in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maya is the illusion that the world sleeps in, the deceiver and the blocker to the pure nirgun saroop of Akaal, but in Sarbloh Granth Sahib, Guru Ji also writes "Adi Bhavani Esari Maya ta ko naam" translating roughly to the Primal giver of life is also known as Maya (in this context we can say Maya could be illusionist orrr generous), maya also being the power of Akaal Purkh that created all life.

100% agree with you there. I was going to quote the Mangalcharan of Sarbloh Granth Sahib Ji but I didn't want to be an id!ot by quoting something I have zero knowledge of lol.

47 minutes ago, Kira said:

Yeah I can get why your Dadi is against it, the oldies aren't all senile haha.

This is something my oldies taught me, that certain names should be avoided. I know some Sikhs dislike using the name Inder as they believe it refers to Indra Devta, but I had heard a Katha  a while back about how important naming a child is, as the name can have a psychological and spiritual effect on them

A lot of Sikhs are against any Hindu sounding names in general though, oblivious to the fact that so many of our names are composed of what is essentially Hindu vocab or standard Punjabi words. There seems to be a renaissance of allegedly 'Sikh' names which some people appear to have taken straight out of Mahan Kosh or something just because they think it's Sikh. I don't think it works all of the time but each to their own hey.

As for the effect a name has, I'm starting to doubt this a little, for obvious reasons. Or maybe I'm just becoming a cynic.

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3 hours ago, MrDoaba said:

100% agree with you there. I was going to quote the Mangalcharan of Sarbloh Granth Sahib Ji but I didn't want to be an id!ot by quoting something I have zero knowledge of lol.

I wont sit here and act like a scholar on the the Granth's Gurbani haha, the granth is super mysterious, iv only recently started to read and do my own arths (using a steek), the complexity of it is (imo) as much as that of Dasam Granth, though Mahakaal96 user on here was really helpful in helping me get my head around some stuff.

Though I'm going to India soon and I'll be picking it up from there, I'm super excited about it. I've been trying to input the Manglacharan into my Nitnem for some time but the only online version iv found is this one.

http://www.sarblohgranth.moonfruit.com/

there formatting puts me off which is really bad I know but i can't help it.

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A lot of Sikhs are against any Hindu sounding names in general though, oblivious to the fact that so many of our names are composed of what is essentially Hindu vocab or standard Punjabi words. There seems to be a renaissance of allegedly 'Sikh' names which some people appear to have taken straight out of Mahan Kosh or something just because they think it's Sikh. I don't think it works all of the time but each to their own hey.

As for the effect a name has, I'm starting to doubt this a little, for obvious reasons. Or maybe I'm just becoming a cynic.

well to each his own haha, You're free to doubt it, with good reason too. In all honesty I totally see where you are coming from as I'm a total pessimist myself a-lot of the time.  I think its just the might of Kalyug influencing us all, to the point very little things hold any true spiritual meaning.

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13 hours ago, MrDoaba said:

This is a very good point. But tbh the people who name their child maya probably don't concern themselves with such matters. The only context which matters is that it sounds modern, fashionable etc. However, if these people provided some valid reasoning for their choice such as the name referring to Maya Devi/Lakshmi Ji, I'd be less likely to dismiss it. Even so, in Sikhi the word maya usually has negative connotations or is at least perceived to.

I asked my Dadi and she strongly objected to the name saying "sade ni eh naa rakhde". Occasionally the oldies are right.

In your opinion what are some other names which would have been avoided?

The old are stuck in their own way of thinking, which they hand over to us. If a Sikh kept this name, would it also be to alert the mind over maya? Maya is everywhere. We are maya too. However we have to be alert not to get carried away by it. If you understand it this way, then you would not want to have great moh with your children because they are maya LOL

I wonder though, most of our name end with deep, preet, inder meet ..... where did these names come from? We have just assumed they are connected to Sikhi. However give it a second thought. Inder? Deep ? How does it connect to sikhi. No one in the Gurus age had such names as ..Inder!!!!

 

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31 minutes ago, sikhni777 said:

I wonder though, most of our name end with deep, preet, inder meet ..... where did these names come from? We have just assumed they are connected to Sikhi. However give it a second thought. Inder? Deep ? How does it connect to sikhi. No one in the Gurus age had such names as ..Inder!!!!

I think it comes from when people weren’t so educated and lived in the type of environment where they wouldn’t know the meanings of names or how to go about choosing a name that had anything meaningful. Going onwards, it’s just a matter of fitting in with the crowd by having the same endings. 

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11 hours ago, Kira said:

Though I'm going to India soon and I'll be picking it up from there, I'm super excited about it. I've been trying to input the Manglacharan into my Nitnem for some time but the only online version iv found is this one.

That's epic. You should defo make a thread on your observations and veechaars.

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well to each his own haha, You're free to doubt it, with good reason too. In all honesty I totally see where you are coming from as I'm a total pessimist myself a-lot of the time.  I think its just the might of Kalyug influencing us all, to the point very little things hold any true spiritual meaning.

If I ever have kids I'll choose one of the 1008 names of Vishnu Ji to counteract this lol.

 

6 hours ago, sikhni777 said:

The old are stuck in their own way of thinking, which they hand over to us. If a Sikh kept this name, would it also be to alert the mind over maya? Maya is everywhere. We are maya too. However we have to be alert not to get carried away by it. If you understand it this way, then you would not want to have great moh with your children because they are maya LOL

I wonder though, most of our name end with deep, preet, inder meet ..... where did these names come from? We have just assumed they are connected to Sikhi. However give it a second thought. Inder? Deep ? How does it connect to sikhi. No one in the Gurus age had such names as ..Inder!!!!

 

Some may be stuck in their old ways of thinking but they do provide us with some gems. Little tidbits of info to piece together the past.

I'm just speculating but I think names which end in deep/preet/inder/meet became more prevalent when the Singh Sabha Movement and Akali Movement were gaining momentum, before then these names were virtually unheard of. Maybe it was an effort to try and create a more homogeneous Sikh identity? Just an example, my Dadi is the youngest of 5 sisters, yet she is the only one with a name which has a suffix like those above.

Tbh if I think back to all my Bazurg, none of them had names like that.

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