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4 minutes ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

You don't speak against tyranny, you propagate it 

Please elaborate how I propagate tyranny.

Who is the tyranny against?

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37 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Please elaborate how I propagate tyranny.

Who is the tyranny against?

Muslims. You're a disgrace, how dare you post Islamophobic content here, how dare you oppress the poor minority who suffered so much at the hands of others throughout history (!)

 

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15 minutes ago, Kira said:

Muslims. You're a disgrace, how dare you post Islamophobic content here, how dare you oppress the poor minority who suffered so much at the hands of others throughout history (!)

 

I apologise for being such a bigot.

I should embrace the peaceful Sharia law where I can peacefully accept that women's word is worth half of a man.

I should wholeheartedly accept that gay people should be thrown off buildings.

Then maybe I will become enlightened. 

 

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57 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Sunny 

For starters you naturally assert or insinuate that Tommy Robinson is a bigot without actually hearing what he has to say.

In this free democratic country we should listen to all points of view.

The fact that you do not like this, particularly from your political end of the spectrum is very similar to the Communist era where people are dismissed without hearing what they have to say because it does not suit your narrative.

The problem with universities these days is that have become no platforms for freedom of speech (particularly since they are very much on the left)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/19/universities-told-must-commit-free-speech-new-plans/amp/

 

LOL 

Tommy Robinson has every right to articulate his political opinion and I for one defend that whether or not I agree with it. 

I've listened to much of what he speaks and come to the conclusion that he is bigoted.. But let us put him aside and make projections, assumptions about a third party. Let's speak of our views.. 

Please qualify your assertions about me and why you feel the need to be disparaging about me.. I'm interested to understand your logic.. If logic drives your comments.. 

Sunny lol

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6 minutes ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

LOL 

Tommy Robinson has every right to articulate his political opinion and I for one defend that whether or not I agree with it. 

I've listened to much of what he speaks and come to the conclusion that he is bigoted.. But let us put him aside and make projections, assumptions about a third party. Let's speak of our views.. 

Please qualify your assertions about me and why you feel the need to be disparaging about me.. I'm interested to understand your logic.. If logic drives your comments.. 

Sunny lol

I don't think that I have been disparaging about you.

You are clearly someone who believes is following the Sikh way but the reality is that you are clearly indoctrinated to think like a Cultural Marxist. 

It is clear that you dismiss any Sikh organisation that does not follow the left wing line.

It seems your mindset it based on what this KGB guy. You seem to display some of these symptoms:

 

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5 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

I don't think that I have been disparaging about you.

You are clearly someone who believes is following the Sikh way but the reality is that you are clearly indoctrinated to think like a Cultural Marxist. 

It is clear that you dismiss any Sikh organisation that does not follow the left wing line.

It seems your mindset it based on what this KGB guy. You seem to display some of these symptoms:

 

Hahaha 😂I love it 

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8 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

I don't think that I have been disparaging about you.

You are clearly someone who believes is following the Sikh way but the reality is that you are clearly indoctrinated to think like a Cultural Marxist. 

It is clear that you dismiss any Sikh organisation that does not follow the left wing line.

It seems your mindset it based on what this KGB guy. You seem to display some of these symptoms:

 

Fair enough.. Calling me a 'cultural marxist' or referring to me as 'sunny' is not particularly disparaging or offensive.. Even though you evidently used the terms mockingly.. 😁

Thank you for recognising me as someone who believes in following sikhi.. Please tell me how I am brain washed and enlighten me as to where exactly I am going wrong.. I aspire to be a better  sikh, and believe in challenging any lazy assumptions I arrive at.. So please explain how I am indoctrinated and please explain what a cultural marxist actually is 

Humbly 

S

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2 hours ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Fair enough.. Calling me a 'cultural marxist' or referring to me as 'sunny' is not particularly disparaging or offensive.. Even though you evidently used the terms mockingly.. 😁

Thank you for recognising me as someone who believes in following sikhi.. Please tell me how I am brain washed and enlighten me as to where exactly I am going wrong.. I aspire to be a better  sikh, and believe in challenging any lazy assumptions I arrive at.. So please explain how I am indoctrinated and please explain what a cultural marxist actually is 

Humbly 

S

I have already shown examples.

I have even displayed with the video of the stages of this indoctrination but it seems you choose to avoid it.

 

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Just now, Ranjeet01 said:

I have already shown examples.

I have even displayed with the video of the stages of this indoctrination but it seems you choose to avoid it.

 

Avoiding what my brother? 

It appears to me that you use such labels as 'cultural marxist' without having a clear definition of what it is..

Please in your own words explain.. What examples have you provided of evidence of my indoctrination? 

Using content produced by others just suggests to me that you don't really know what you are talking about... I'm sure you do... But without explicitly articulating your assertion, quite frankly it seems like you are more comfortable in being a sycophant than having your own opinions.. 

With all due respect 

S

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16 minutes ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Avoiding what my brother? 

It appears to me that you use such labels as 'cultural marxist' without having a clear definition of what it is..

Please in your own words explain.. What examples have you provided of evidence of my indoctrination? 

Using content produced by others just suggests to me that you don't really know what you are talking about... I'm sure you do... But without explicitly articulating your assertion, quite frankly it seems like you are more comfortable in being a sycophant than having your own opinions.. 

With all due respect 

S

For starters, it seems that any Sikh orgs that do speak out against what's happening in general that may have "some" shared views with those that seem to be not of the liberal/left persuasion is seen as an abomination by left wing Sikhs. 

It leads to me to believe that you are clearly on the left of the political spectrum. There is nothing wrong in being on the left of the spectrum.

However, the left of the spectrum these days which claim to be tolerant and inclusive except they are very selective as to whom they are tolerant towards.

Now with the increase in muslim population has meant an increase in certain crimes such as organised street grooming and terrorism. 

Now with these happening more often, people are beginning to find patterns for this.

A lot of this rooted in Islamic ideology.

The fact the likes of SYUK will speak out against this you don't like.

The people who support the left of the political spectrum like the Islamists for some reason and tend to walk on egg shells around them. 

However, people on the left of the political spectrum (like yourself I believe) won't think twice about attacking people who want to stand up to the intolerance. 

The contradiction I find generally with the left is that they want full rights for gays yet at the same time want full Sharia law for muslims. The irony is that the muslims will attack the gays if given half the chance. Muslims will not show tolerance and the people on the left will not speak out. 

If someone not of the left points this out, it is pointed out as hate speech and you are shouted down called islamophobic or racist. 

The left want diversity, just not diversity of opinion. In the Communist countries, freedom of speech is not allowed. The left claims to be liberal but act in the same manner of Communist countries. Communism has it's origins in Marxism and I suspect the left are Marxists in disguise. They might not be in power politically but there is cultural subversion going on.

It seems that you are clearly influenced by this type of thought.

That is why I suggested that you may be a Cultural Marxist. 

I provided a link from the Telegraph to show what is happening in universities that has been overwhelmed by leftist though is now doing no platform which means freedom of speech is being curtailed. 

This is cultural marxism taking over. However, if it is Islamic hate speech it is accepted. Your stance against SYUK seems to suggest that you are accepting of Islamist hate speech but not of people who would fight against it like Tommy Robinson. 

I think the problem Sikhs on left of the political spectrum is that they think Sikhi somehow is the same as this leftist thought.

It is not. They are influenced by the left (which is influenced by Marxism ) more so than Sikhi.

That is why I called you a Cultural Marxist. 

If you feel that is not articulated enough for you I can go on and on and on.

The problem with your thought process is that it may eventually lead into a totaliterian system. 

Totalitarianism is the antisesis of Sikhi.

 

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53 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

with the increase in muslim population has meant an increase in certain crimes such as organised street grooming and terrorism. 

Please provide me with some evidence of this increase 

 

53 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

fact the likes of SYUK will speak out against this you don't like.

Syuk don't speak out against all terrorism or all discrimination.. They had nothing to say when 'Right wing', edl, Britain first nazi follower killed Jo Cox.. I don't see them and have not seen them speaking out against attacks on minorities in the wake of brexit.. The fact is they choose to homogenise a very diverse community of people and demonise a entire religious group which is ridiculous.. 

 

53 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

 

However, people on the left of the political spectrum (like yourself I believe) won't think twice about attacking people who want to stand up to the intolerance. 

How ironic that you see a group like syuk as opposing intolerance.. The mind boggles at the intellectual  gymnastics your able to make.. 

53 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

However, people on the left of the political spectrum (like yourself I believe) won't think twice about attacking people who want to stand up to the intolerance. 

I have no problem in opposing any bigotry.. And will always stand against intolerance however that doesn't mean I will demonise a diverse group of people who come under a lazy umbrella term.. There are many different voices of Islam, sunni, Shia, ahmadi, sufi... Just in the same way sikh panth is plural and made up of people who have commonalities but also are very different.. 

53 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

left want diversity, just not diversity of opinion. In the Communist countries, freedom of speech is not allowed. The left claims to be liberal but act in the same manner of Communist countries. Communism has it's origins in Marxism and I suspect the left are Marxists in disguise. They might not be in power politically but there is cultural subversion going

You seem confused and conflate, Marxism, communism, and socialism.. 

Marxism is a theory about the nature of the  economic organisation of society and the implications of that.. I'm not a marxist or a communist... However I think sikh philosophy is largely congruent with much of the social aspects of it 

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42 minutes ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

 

Marxism is a theory about the nature of the  economic organisation of society and the implications of that.. I'm not a marxist or a communist... However I think sikh philosophy is largely congruent with much of the social aspects of it 

You can't even read Gurbani you dolt. How would you know what it says or what it propagates? Let me guess. You read a book by some guy, who heard it from some guy and you decided it was the truth.

 

So please provide evidence from 18th/19th Century sources to back up your assertions. Thank you.

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47 minutes ago, Kira said:

You can't even read Gurbani you dolt. How would you know what it says or what it propagates? Let me guess. You read a book by some guy, who heard it from some guy and you decided it was the truth.

 

So please provide evidence from 18th/19th Century sources to back up your assertions. Thank you.

Oh dear.. 

Just to clarify are you suggesting sikhi does not promote egalitarianism? Seriously.. 

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54 minutes ago, Kira said:

You can't even read Gurbani you dolt. How would you know what it says or what it propagates? Let me guess. You read a book by some guy, who heard it from some guy and you decided it was the truth.

 

So please provide evidence from 18th/19th Century sources to back up your assertions. Thank you.

Vandh shako? 

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2 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

he contradiction I find generally with the left is that they want full rights for gays yet at the same time want full Sharia law for muslims. The irony is that the muslims will attack the gays if given half the chance. Muslims will not show tolerance and the people on the left will not speak out. 

I'm really not sure where you get this information from? Daily mail, daily express, breitbart maybe? 

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