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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa!

Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

Hi guys I was hoping you guys could help with some info and advice. It all started 3 years ago when was going through some tough times when I was introduced to meditation by my best friend now my fiancé. As meditating was helping me I grew curious about Sikhi and its teachings. She taught me as much as she could and I found my own path in Sikhi. I attend the Gurdwara regularly try to keep the 5 Ks minus the Kerpan as I have not taken Amrit as yet as I know there is still a lot for me to learn. I Also follow the teachings of the Guru Gran Sahib Ji. 

As we were really good friends it was different when we fell in love with each other. Call it old fashioned or not the correct way with the Asian culture but it happened. When she told her dad he refused to talk to her or myself and still does up to this day! As far as I am aware the teachings of Guru Nanak cleary talks about equality and diversity. I won't go into detail as you know the rest. However her dad is not just any Sikh is a freedom fight Sikh so he should know better. How do we address this as she misses her father very much and we really want him at the Anand Karaj. Also another issue the Gurdwara I've asked to do the ceremony has not refused but told us all the committee members have to be in agreement with it before we can get married. I asked them in July and it is now October and the still can't give me an answer apart from I need to attend their Gurdwara more regularly especially on Sundays which I have. I feel like I have an uphill battle with everything because if you were born a Sikh never really attend Gurdwara decide to get married as that person will have Singh or Kaur in their name it won't be a problem. I also will have Singh in my name. How do I approach her or how do we approach the situation? 

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa!

Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh!

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Take Singh as your name, like asap. IF you change your name to Singh then by the decrees of the Akaal Takhat you are a sikh (along with believing in amrit and the teachings of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji) , ignoring the whole "definition of a sikh"  shtick for a minute here I think you've come a long way based on what you said. 

I think there is deep rooted predjuices within the Sikh community against blacks in general, seeing a white sikh is rare for asians but a black sikh is like finding an iphone in the stone age. 

Take it slow firstly, show her dad how immersed in sikhi you are. Learn about the religion and then impress her father with it, become a Nitnemi Sikh man. 

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3 hours ago, Guest Singh said:

However her dad is not just any Sikh is a freedom fight Sikh 

:waheguru:

3 hours ago, Guest Singh said:

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa!

Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

Hi guys I was hoping you guys could help with some info and advice. It all started 3 years ago when was going through some tough times when I was introduced to meditation by my best friend now my fiancé. As meditating was helping me I grew curious about Sikhi and its teachings. She taught me as much as she could and I found my own path in Sikhi. I attend the Gurdwara regularly try to keep the 5 Ks minus the Kerpan as I have not taken Amrit as yet as I know there is still a lot for me to learn. I Also follow the teachings of the Guru Gran Sahib Ji. 

As we were really good friends it was different when we fell in love with each other. Call it old fashioned or not the correct way with the Asian culture but it happened. When she told her dad he refused to talk to her or myself and still does up to this day! As far as I am aware the teachings of Guru Nanak cleary talks about equality and diversity. I won't go into detail as you know the rest. However her dad is not just any Sikh is a freedom fight Sikh so he should know better. How do we address this as she misses her father very much and we really want him at the Anand Karaj. Also another issue the Gurdwara I've asked to do the ceremony has not refused but told us all the committee members have to be in agreement with it before we can get married. I asked them in July and it is now October and the still can't give me an answer apart from I need to attend their Gurdwara more regularly especially on Sundays which I have. I feel like I have an uphill battle with everything because if you were born a Sikh never really attend Gurdwara decide to get married as that person will have Singh or Kaur in their name it won't be a problem. I also will have Singh in my name. How do I approach her or how do we approach the situation? 

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa!

Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh!

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh! I don't think your being discriminated because your black, but rather because you haven't yet followed the Sikh faith. Basically you can't convince your through mere words alone, so you should became a Sikh first with the name Singh legally. You must also disprove whatever unconscious beliefs they have about black people and prove that you are just a human being trying to know Guru Sahib. Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

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3 minutes ago, Kira said:

I think there is deep rooted predjuices within the Sikh community against blacks in general, seeing a white sikh is rare for asians but a black sikh is like finding an iphone in the stone age. 

I think most racism is towards Punjabi/Subcontinental Sikhs rather than the other way around. 3HO for example won't even talk to Punjabi Sikhs.

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Bro, your black and her dad don't want you in the punjabi gene pool family.  Plus your living in a bollywood movie wake up.  If you truly are in sikhi.  Forget her and follow sikhi.  

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15 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

 

@Jacfsing2 people are fooled by your non sense.  You are a m*Ron.

Mate cool the f*ck down for once. You shout like the internet warrior you are hiding behind your computer.

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3 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Mate cool the f*ck down for once. You shout like the internet warrior you are hiding behind your computer.

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2 hours ago, Guest Guest 'Singh' said:

I'd feel the same way if I had a daughter who wanted to abandon her identity and settle for less, i.e. a black thug. She sounds disgusting. Your kind can never be a Sikh in my eyes. Your kind either walk around with a chip on the shoulder or act like you own the streets. You also rob our temples at night too - there have been many cases in the uk/us.

You also clearly lack knowledge and respect for 5 K's. Wearing a Kirpan alone doesn't suddenly make you a Sikh and neither does the surname 'Singh', as some have incorrectly said, you fool.

Our community will always see you as an weird outsider trying to copy our identity. Do you not have your own culture?

You are a racist piece of <banned word filter activated>. 

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If I have to be honest with you I think you need to distaance yourself from this girl and still try to learn about sikhism. I think you need to find out if you really do care for her or if your just attached to her because she introduced you to this path. As for her family, seriously Good luck with that because if her family are strict then you can either tell her to kiss you goodbye or she can kiss her family goodbye. Theres no inbetween. Btw can i ask, you said she misses her father very much,  does this mean she isnt living at home? Is she living with you? 

In terms of the gurdwara, I would just say they have to be careful when going ahead with these things because just imagine the message they will be giving out if they agree to this.  I know there are some gurdwara that are 'open' and it can be considered but there are also strict gurdwara so it really depends where you asked? 

Despite the fact that I dont agree with this because for me it goes against everything my family have ever taught me. I think you should just make sure you care for her the way you say you do before you decide to mess her whole life up completely. 

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2 hours ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

LOL 

Prove that you are just a human being! 

Surely that is obvious by the fact he is a human being 

Most racist will not see you as a human, but less than a human. Fact of the matter is racism exists and the only way it will end is if people can see past stereotypes.

2 hours ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

LOL douche 

Are you really denying that there are people racist towards Punjabis/Subcontinentals?

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15 hours ago, Guest Singh said:

I'd feel the same way if I had a daughter who wanted to abandon her identity and settle for less, i.e. a black thug. She sounds disgusting. Your kind can never be a Sikh in my eyes. Your kind either walk around with a chip on the shoulder or act like you own the streets. You also rob our temples at night too - there have been many cases in the uk/us.

You also clearly lack knowledge and respect for 5 K's. Wearing a Kirpan alone doesn't suddenly make you a Sikh and neither does the surname 'Singh', as some have incorrectly said, you fool.

Our community will always see you as an weird outsider trying to copy our identity. Do you not have your own culture?

I honestly have no idea who wrote this, but to anyone who believes in stuff like this, they should know only Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji and Vaheguru have ever existed in perfection.

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15 hours ago, Guest Singh said:

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa!

Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

Hi guys I was hoping you guys could help with some info and advice. It all started 3 years ago when was going through some tough times when I was introduced to meditation by my best friend now my fiancé. As meditating was helping me I grew curious about Sikhi and its teachings. She taught me as much as she could and I found my own path in Sikhi. I attend the Gurdwara regularly try to keep the 5 Ks minus the Kerpan as I have not taken Amrit as yet as I know there is still a lot for me to learn. I Also follow the teachings of the Guru Gran Sahib Ji. 

As we were really good friends it was different when we fell in love with each other. Call it old fashioned or not the correct way with the Asian culture but it happened. When she told her dad he refused to talk to her or myself and still does up to this day! As far as I am aware the teachings of Guru Nanak cleary talks about equality and diversity. I won't go into detail as you know the rest. However her dad is not just any Sikh is a freedom fight Sikh so he should know better. How do we address this as she misses her father very much and we really want him at the Anand Karaj. Also another issue the Gurdwara I've asked to do the ceremony has not refused but told us all the committee members have to be in agreement with it before we can get married. I asked them in July and it is now October and the still can't give me an answer apart from I need to attend their Gurdwara more regularly especially on Sundays which I have. I feel like I have an uphill battle with everything because if you were born a Sikh never really attend Gurdwara decide to get married as that person will have Singh or Kaur in their name it won't be a problem. I also will have Singh in my name. How do I approach her or how do we approach the situation? 

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa!

Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh!

Waheguru ji ka khalsa

Waheguru ji ki fateh

Guest you first need to know that Sikhs call their teacher Guru Granth Sahib ji.

The word Granth means sacred scripture.

Frankly you need to impress girl's father with your religious knowledge, courage & conviction.

Normally race, religion, caste are taken into consideration while fixing a match but class (money) usually over shadows these pre-requisites.

In regards to Anand Karaj ceremony you should probably seek guidance from

https://www.sikhdharma.org

They support inter-racial marriage.

Waheguru ji ka khalsa

Waheguru ji ki fateh

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Hey guys thanks for your kind support. I really appreciate your thoughts and support. especially the guest who mentioned that he wouldn't let me marry his daughter. I've already found my Jaan thank you. also on a side note its people like him will never understand the true meaning of Sikhi. I pray that Waheguru bless you and your family and I hope the rest of your family doesn't turn out like you.

 On a better note I am learning as I go along and I will keep practicing Sikhi. Being a human being is all I do. I feel very disheartened when I go to the Gurdwara with curiosity and wanting to be involved within the community. Unfortunately I feel I am seen as 'different' which yes I am black but all I want is to be apart of this beautiful faith. I want to raise our children in the Gurudwara (when we have kids) I hope they do not experience any of these things.  In regards to her dad I went to the Gurdwara to ask for her hand in marriage, he shut me down on the spot. I know this is a massive issue but I would have thought after some time he would of given it some thought and address the issue. Instead no one is allowed to communicate with us up to this day!

 

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8 hours ago, Singh123456777 said:

You are a racist piece of <banned word filter activated>. 

I call it as I see it, unlike you. It's called 'Sat' (truth) and it's a key teaching in Sikhi. I don't think you practice it in life otherwise you would have told me why what I wrote is wrong.

7 hours ago, Akalifauj said:

Did your mother drop you on your head purposely.  I think she should have dropped you harder and maybe the right wires would connected.  Dirty little hindu drinking cow urine.  

Your first words in this thread was 'your black' and then you come out with this? What suddenly changed your mind? Again, tell me why you disagree with my comments rather than just calling me a hindu. Accusations like that just make you look even more silly, in my opinion.

I've agreed with a few of your posts in the past but after recently reading some of them, I'm beginning to think your brain might be appearing to show symptoms of a bang on the head. Davai pio.

 

Both of you sound like liberals. Wake up, open your eyes and see them for what many of them are like in reality.

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4 hours ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

LOL douche 

Judging by how you write your posts, I'm starting to believe that you are affiliated with 3ho and not from the Panjab, as you have claimed.

Personal observations:

  1. Very defensive when they are mentioned
  2. Liberal thinking on any topic raised, especially non-Panjabi & Sikh related e.g. this one
  3. Excessive use of americanisms
  4. No understanding or knowledge on Panjabi issues
  5. Unable to read Gurmukhi

I spoke to someone in the uk recently who heads a group that teaches Gurmukhi. He told me that 3ho are only just starting to learn it and practice 'yogi' bhajan's teachings less often. He also said they are starting to lose their pot bellies and smoke less but I don't know if this weird cult still dance to Gurbani, worship hindu gods and conduct gay marriages etc. Probably not as they wouldn't then make any profit. White freaks. I hope they burn in hell.

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