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If Guru Gobind Singh Ji stopped the caste system in Sikhi then why do people still mention it?


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7 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

getting back to the actual OPs subject it is because Brahmins cannot stand any attempt to empower and free 'low caste/ no castes' from their mental and spiritual shackles  look at the way they destroyed Indian Buddhism , destroying temples , killing buddhists so much that they had to up sticks and flee to china , tibet, ladakh and Leh . Shankarcharya was the equivalent of  Indira Gandhi even getting his own hands dirty killing buddhists up close and personal . Similarly the bhagats were attacked  and even Dhan Dhan Guru Arjan Dev ji was executed by joint forces of brahmins and mughals....
Our own fault in this is that we allowed outsiders tell us what we are rather than make our children and grandchildren aware of theri true roots ...so they also believe the spouted nonsense of anti-sikh elements .

Way to demonise 50 million Brahmins in India!

Shaheed Bhai Mati Das Ji and Shaheed Bhai Sati Das Ji set such examples of unmatchable bravery that all those of previous Brahmin descent would be new Sikhs if we as Sikhs did not lazily demonise and generalise against normal Brahmins but instead worked to educate them about the examples of our shaheeds.

Benti to Sangat please use terms Manuvadi soch and let's not tar Brahmins or Hindu's to prevent them becoming new Sikhs by way of alienation as the RSS. The more we bash Hindu's and/or Brahmins (rather than the Manuvadi ideology that we oppose) then we are doing the RSS's dirty work in preventing new Sikhs

 

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11 hours ago, Guest Generalizations suck said:

Way to demonise 50 million Brahmins in India!

Shaheed Bhai Mati Das Ji and Shaheed Bhai Sati Das Ji set such examples of unmatchable bravery that all those of previous Brahmin descent would be new Sikhs if we as Sikhs did not lazily demonise and generalise against normal Brahmins but instead worked to educate them about the examples of our shaheeds.

Benti to Sangat please use terms Manuvadi soch and let's not tar Brahmins or Hindu's to prevent them becoming new Sikhs by way of alienation as the RSS. The more we bash Hindu's and/or Brahmins (rather than the Manuvadi ideology that we oppose) then we are doing the RSS's dirty work in preventing new Sikhs

 

since when did they equate the thugs who geared society in such a way to enslave the masses ?

brahmin da matlab those who have knowledge of parbrahm  , if that is true they will not see differences and treat all alike ...so this criticism  does not apply in any way or shape to those . But any sikh who is Guru da sikh would leave such labels of manuvad behind and never call khanda da pahul pani by using manuvad titles to entice new abhilakhees or sikhs ...think about it

whether or not that strata of indian society is violent their attitudes and predjudices hurt the whole of society , they are only 3% of the population condemning over 80% to lives of slavery to those ideas, leaving the country open to abuse as witnessed by history of past 1600  years.

It is horrific to think in today's age people are dying in sewers of cities 'manually' clearing them of blockages without protection , yes it is the modern age and yet instead of using power hoses and cameras , they are sending men down with flashlights and shovels . The justification is they are nivi jaat and we do not have to protect or provide them with proper tools, despite legislation outlawing manual scavenging .

https://www.indiatimes.com/news/india/sewer-story-death-of-sanitation-workers-in-delhi-exposes-the-hypocrisy-failure-of-govt-328070.html

same with the huge number of rapes and murders against lowcaste folks which are never allowed to be reported by the higher caste police personnel ...

there is too much corruption , brahmins were supposed to preach naam, sewa, advaita of Parbraham but got enticed by maya to preach murtis , multitudes of gods/goddesses , superstitions ....

the only solution is parchaar of Gurbani including Bhagat Bani throughout India but concentrating in areas where dalits, mulnivasis and adivasis are struggling against the hinduvta agenda

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23 hours ago, Kira said:

I swear some of you guys dont recognise a joke when its presented to you.

Sachi gall aa, we are amongst retards lol

 

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11 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

since when did they equate the thugs who geared society in such a way to enslave the masses ?

Yes those thugs are Hindutva fascists

11 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

brahmin da matlab those who have knowledge of parbrahm  , if that is true they will not see differences and treat all alike ...

Agreed

so this criticism  does not apply in any way or shape to those .

Important to differentiate and avoid generalisations against Brahmins on Hindu's then.

But any sikh who is Guru da sikh would leave such labels of manuvad behind and never call khanda da pahul pani by using manuvad titles to entice new abhilakhees or sikhs ...think about it

Agreed (that goes without saying)

 

11 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

whether or not that strata of indian society is violent their attitudes and predjudices hurt the whole of society , they are only 3% of the population condemning over 80% to lives of slavery to those ideas, leaving the country open to abuse as witnessed by history of past 1600  years.

Agreed the Hindutva elites who support Manuvadi soch need to be countered and the silent majority welcomed into the Sikh Panth

It is horrific to think in today's age people are dying in sewers of cities 'manually' clearing them of blockages without protection , yes it is the modern age and yet instead of using power hoses and cameras , they are sending men down with flashlights and shovels . The justification is they are nivi jaat and we do not have to protect or provide them with proper tools, despite legislation outlawing manual scavenging .

Totally agree. This is why Hindutva needs to be defeated by welcoming people currently conned into believing they are ethnic Brahmins or ethnic Hindu's into realising that they are sehajdhari Sikhs

https://www.indiatimes.com/news/india/sewer-story-death-of-sanitation-workers-in-delhi-exposes-the-hypocrisy-failure-of-govt-328070.html

same with the huge number of rapes and murders against lowcaste folks which are never allowed to be reported by the higher caste police personnel ...

Agreed only Sikhi and it's philosophy of total equality can liberate the poor oppressed majority of Indians

there is too much corruption , brahmins were supposed to preach naam, sewa, advaita of Parbraham but got enticed by maya to preach murtis , multitudes of gods/goddesses , superstitions ....

the only solution is parchaar of Gurbani including Bhagat Bani throughout India but concentrating in areas where dalits, mulnivasis and adivasis are struggling against the hinduvta agenda

100% agree. Only benti let us use targetted terms like Hindutva or Manuvadi to ensure that we don't alienate Hindu's or Brahmins away from Sikhi (as the RSS want us to). Thank you

 

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14 hours ago, Kira said:

I wonder if along with morality,  social intelligence is slowly decreasing in Kalyug.

It is, look at london jwaan for example. He is so stupid that he cannot understand sarcasam and resorts to swearing, cause he doesnt understand a joke!

 

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On 3/9/2018 at 7:36 AM, Guest London jwaan said:

Well, given that I'm technically jatt, but totally reject caste and utterly despise jattism, if you question why these gurdwaras exist, look at the history of why they evolved.

In Singh Sabha gurdwaras, formation of committees, advisers, etc were jatts in majority. These jatts would block the nomination or election of any member who was not jatt, seeking the only qualification that nominated and elected people were jatt.

That's why other communities established their own gurdwaras. Plain and simple. Deny it if you want. 

Further, talk to ANY jatt family. Even amridhari ones, when considering a spouse for their daughter, the number one thing they want us a jatt. Everything else is secondary. Everything. Don't believe me? Go to your nearest gurdwara and have a look at the matrimonial list.

I have even heard of educated families including jatts, now demanding that potential suitors should definitely NOT be jatt because of lack of education, risk of excessive drinking, drugs, domestic violence etc.

 

All the Gurus married into their own caste.  Marrying into your own caste isn't a crime, its the cultured thing to do.  The so called 'lower castes' don't want to marry their daughters to the caste they consider beneath them either, yet marrying a woman from a "higher caste" is something they consider an achievement.

You think Dhakans don't hate Chamars?  Are you going to see a chamar on the Dhakan committee?

Either you are not a Jatt or you have seirous self-hatred issues.  

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