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7 hours ago, KhoonKaBadlaKhoon said:

I respect that they attempted it, but how did 4 young men fail to kill one frail old man? Something doesn't add up.

 

He is a military general for all of his life and above Sikhs were just a common folks. Big difference. That is not the point of the post. Can anyone update if they are up for any parole? Can we write them letters?

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the attack happened on 30 September 2012

Mandeep Singh Sandhu and Dilbag Singh were sentenced to 14 years, Harjit Kaur was jailed for 11 years while Barjinder Singh Sangha received a sentence of 10 years and six months.

I don't think they are out of jail @S1ngh

source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25316370

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Can we write them letters? They did this for our panth and we already have forgotten them. I don’t think they should get such long jail terms.

Anyone care to find which jail they are housed in and to which address we can send them letters?

Thanks

 

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This website might help.

https://www.gov.uk/find-prisoner

Find a prisoner

Use the Prisoner Location Service to find people in prison when you don’t know which prison they are in.

The prisoner must give their permission for their information to be shared, unless you belong to certain organisations such as the police or a solicitors’ firm.

Prisoner Location Service prisoner.location.service@noms.gsi.gov.uk
Fax: 0121 626 3474

Prisoner Location Service 
PO Box 2152 
Birmingham 
B15 1SD 

You must include:

  • your name, or the organisation you represent
  • your date of birth
  • your address including postcode
  • name of the person you want to find
  • the reason you want to find them eg. you’re their solicitor, or a family member
  • any other names they may have used
  • their date of birth

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Guru Nanak kirpa_/\_

so uk acknowledge no one died, vs thousands of pilgrims, children, babies at Sikh holiest shrine, brar killed...

just apney should have barosa such genocide killers will receive worst penalty from Vahiguroo, so we just do ardas, financial support for victims atey surviving families, IS BEST SEVA FOR PANTH ji _/\_bhul chuk muaf

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On 26/09/2017 at 8:33 AM, KhoonKaBadlaKhoon said:

I respect that they attempted it, but how did 4 young men fail to kill one frail old man? Something doesn't add up.

 

Was it an attack to kill brar or simply a message to him and india that we haven't forgotten? Brar and the media blew the minor scuffle way out of proportion. I don't think they intended on taking his life... And if they did, Maharaaj has other plans for him...

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1 hour ago, S4NGH said:

Was it an attack to kill brar or simply a message to him and india that we haven't forgotten? Brar and the media blew the minor scuffle way out of proportion. I don't think they intended on taking his life... And if they did, Maharaaj has other plans for him...

Is it possible they were misled by someone working for GOI who knew and told them where Brar would be, and therefore planned for them to be caught and be arrested??

Has anyone written to these prisoners yet?

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1 hour ago, S4NGH said:

Was it an attack to kill brar or simply a message to him and india that we haven't forgotten? Brar and the media blew the minor scuffle way out of proportion. I don't think they intended on taking his life... And if they did, Maharaaj has other plans for him...

That makes little to no sense. You have the man who played a huge role in attacking Darbar Sahib in front of you, and you let him walk on purpose? "We haven't forgotten! But we won't do anything about it!" 

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On 30/09/2017 at 10:35 PM, KhoonKaBadlaKhoon said:

That makes little to no sense. You have the man who played a huge role in attacking Darbar Sahib in front of you, and you let him walk on purpose? "We haven't forgotten! But we won't do anything about it!" 

Does a failed attempt at killing him make more sense considering there were 4 of them VS him and his wife?

It's all rather shadey. 

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On 9/27/2017 at 9:55 PM, proactive said:

This website might help.

https://www.gov.uk/find-prisoner

Find a prisoner

Use the Prisoner Location Service to find people in prison when you don’t know which prison they are in.

The prisoner must give their permission for their information to be shared, unless you belong to certain organisations such as the police or a solicitors’ firm.

Prisoner Location Service 
PO Box 2152 
Birmingham 
B15 1SD 

You must include:

  • your name, or the organisation you represent
  • your date of birth
  • your address including postcode
  • name of the person you want to find
  • the reason you want to find them eg. you’re their solicitor, or a family member
  • any other names they may have used
  • their date of birth

That’s a tough way to get ahold of it. Hope some organization comes and make a way to have letters reach them thru their channel.

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    • Like I said maybe they shouldn't have been doing Aarti, not in the Gurdwara anyway. But the picture in itself shouldn't be a problem. Mahapurkhs have been known to keep pictures of Devi Devte, they weren't allergic to imagery, especially imagery you could say that makes up "Dharam" as a whole. Maybe not the picture shown in the video, but such imagery was commonplace and is part of our heritage. As is evident from the small selection of pictures I posted. The level of Hinduphobia amongst our people borders on idiocy.
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