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Premi5    66
21 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Do you have any proof of this? I highly doubt he's said anything remotely related to this. That Sikhs have a right to a nation.

Yes, I doubt it too. 

The only reason I can think of that we are helping Muslims so much (they definitely wouldn't be rushing to help us) is if we are paying back some sort of karmic debt. Either that or 'Khalsa Aid' has decided to become 'Non-Khalsa Aid'

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kcmidlands    64
3 hours ago, proactive said:

By the same contention the Burmese and Bangladeshi govts should be looking after the Rohingyas. Why is Khalsa Aid there? How do you define immediate danger, is a Punjabi farmer who is under debt due to economic policies of the govt which makes his hard work unviable not in immediate danger because of the stress and mental agony might lead him to commit  suicide? If Khalsa Aid forgoes helping in Burma and concentrates the money it will spend in Burma to Punjab instead then it will save lives in Punjab. No one is going to die in Burma because Khalsa Aid doesn't go to the camps to help out. Millions have been and millions more will be pumped into Burma by the international community. Khalsa Aid's work is a drop in an ocean of international relief work. Soon charities will be stepping on each other toes to help the Rohingyas. 

No one is asking KA to turn Punjab into a paradise. Just to save a few Sikh lives instead of replicating the work of the bigger charities in Burma. 

I really don't, for the life of me, as a Sikh, understand how someone can say "No one is going to die in Burma because Khalsa Aid doesn't go to the camps to help out." really man, it's a terrible shame that people think like this, it's like seeing someone injured on the road and saying "Nah man, leave it, someone else can help them".

Khalsa Aid put themselves forward as a "Humanitarian Aid Agency" not a Sikh one, there are bigger problems in the world than those going on in our backyards, they do help out in Punjab, alot, like i said in a previous post, do your research, they help out on an individual basis, the problem in Punjab is it's riddled with corruption and backhanded politics which make it very difficult for any charity to operate without giving out "donations" to local mp's and police, in other word's taking the money people donate and using it to bribe people to get to those who need help, kind of defeats the object of it all, that's why they go in and help individuals instead of communities.

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1 hour ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Do you have any proof of this? I highly doubt he's said anything remotely related to this. That Sikhs have a right to a nation.

I'm quite sure on his Instagram he has spoken for Sikhs to have their own nation. But, ill revisit his page to double check. One of his close friends is also a known Shaheed from the Sangharsh. 

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superkaur    320
18 hours ago, Balkaar said:

The Singhs who dragged Bhai Kanhaiya before Kalgidhar Patshaah sounded very similar to you. "Why give water to some muslim, an enemy, when you could be giving water to a Sikh instead? Shouldn't the Sikhs be a priority?"  I shouldn't have to remind you how this turned out for them. 

When Dashmesh Pitaa asked Bhai Sahib why he had done this,  Kanhaiya replied "I saw no Mughal or Sikh on the field of battle Maharaj, I saw only you". Guru Gobind Singh said that of all those present in the group Kanhaiya alone had understood the real message of Gurbani. Bhai Kanhaiya was right. The Singhs were wrong. I believe you are wrong about this too bhenji. Be careful not to become so obsessed with protecting 'sikhi' that you forget what you're supposed to be protecting in the first place. 

Helping somebody is never a waste of anything, it is not only one of the best things we can do for others, but one of the best things we can do for our own Sikhi. 

Helping people in need whatever their background is a good deed in Sikhi yes. However what Khalsa Aid and united Sikhs are are and have been doing is very different issue to what Bhai Kanhaiya did. What Bhai Kanhaiya did was help people on the battlefield who was trying to fight and kill Sikhs. He helped people regardless who they was in the particular scenario and environment he didnt go out of his way to mughul or hindu towns to help the needy he only helped the people who was in front of him at the time who needed water that is the example he set and Guru Ji told us to follow. That when you are presented with someone asking for help in front of you that you help them regardless of their background even if they are from the people trying to kill you.

However Guru Ji didn't say go out to non-sikh places and towns and help the people even if your own sikh community needs help and is suffering. There is no where in Sikh history or scriptures that state you must go out to help non-sikhs at the expense of your own sikh brothers and sisters wasting sangats very limited and hard earned resources. When Sikhs who allegedly mean to do well for humanitarian causes go out to non-sikh places and help them they are not following Sikhi they are following their brainwashed humanitarian ideology or own selfish agendas.

Guru Ji also said create an area of self rule because without political sovereign power with all the functions of a state you cant help your own people properly nor you can help needy others from other communities. Liberal far left ideology that tries to brainwash Sikhs into thinking rush out to foreign far flung lands to help everyone is wholly wrong, against logic and common sense and I would put it its wholly against the future progression of spreading Sikhi. As at the moment Sikh populations in important key area's are dwindling cos Sikhs are not helping them meanwhile abrahamic populations are increasing at an alarming rate in dharmic lands aided by their rich abrahmic political states while stupid Sikhs with no idea of future demographically impact are helping them survive and thrive at our own expense.

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Balkaar    1,430
1 hour ago, superkaur said:

Helping people in need whatever their background is a good deed in Sikhi yes. However what Khalsa Aid and united Sikhs are are and have been doing is very different issue to what Bhai Kanhaiya did. What Bhai Kanhaiya did was help people on the battlefield who was trying to fight and kill Sikhs. He helped people regardless who they was in the particular scenario and environment he didnt go out of his way to mughul or hindu towns to help the needy he only helped the people who was in front of him at the time who needed water that is the example he set and Guru Ji told us to follow. That when you are presented with someone asking for help in front of you that you help them regardless of their background even if they are from the people trying to kill you.

However Guru Ji didn't say go out to non-sikh places and towns and help the people even if your own sikh community needs help and is suffering. 1) There is no where in Sikh history or scriptures that state you must go out to help non-sikhs at the expense of your own sikh brothers and sisters wasting sangats very limited and hard earned resources. When Sikhs who allegedly mean to do well for humanitarian causes go out to non-sikh places and help them they are not following Sikhi they are following their brainwashed humanitarian ideology or own selfish agendas.

Guru Ji also said create an area of self rule because without political sovereign power with all the functions of a state you cant help your own people properly nor you can help needy others from other communities. Liberal far left ideology that tries to brainwash Sikhs into thinking rush out to foreign far flung lands to help everyone is wholly wrong, against logic and common sense and I would put it its wholly against the future progression of spreading Sikhi.2)  As at the moment Sikh populations in important key area's are dwindling cos Sikhs are not helping them meanwhile abrahamic populations are increasing at an alarming rate in dharmic lands aided by their rich abrahmic political states while stupid Sikhs with no idea of future demographically impact are helping them survive and thrive at our own expense.

1) That is not true bhenji, read about the history of the Sewapanthis, the order descended from Bhai Kanhaiya, who did precisely that. Many of their good works were carried out in the Muslim areas of the Punjab in order to counteract the poison being spread about the Khalsa by the propaganda of Mughals and toxic Maulvis. Their selflessness also attracted thousands of Muslims to the Sikh fold. 

2) I agree, the Sikh demographic situation is a ticking timebomb. But if we just selfishly hoard all our resources like every other panth in the world (christian, hindu, muslim) people are gonna look at us and assume we are no different than they are - with good reason. And when they start thinking that they will lose all interest in Sikhi, or the thought of becoming Sikh. Our ancestors became Sikh because they thought it was something better, something different from the rest. We should celebrate our uniqueness, not try to copy the thinking of others "Muslims only look out for Muslims, therefore we Sikhs are only gonna look out for Sikhs". Why should Sikhs take their cues from the Muslims when we have our own Gurus and an endless litany of Mahapurash to inspire us? 

In any case, Seva shouldn't be a game of religious politics. I think everyone would do well to read, reread and read again the excellent post by SoulSingh and ponder it for a while. Seva with an agenda is not seva at all. 

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S1ngh    1,385
1 hour ago, proactive said:

I can say that because the tens of thousands of pound of the sangat's money that KA will spend is being dwarfed by the many millions that the international community has given. The UK for instance has given £ 25 million more after their initial £ 11 million in aid. So that's £ 36 million they have given. The EU has given 3 million Euros and Canada has given $ 2.5 million. That is why I can say that KA is WASTING the sangat's money by being in the Rohangya refugee camps because what they will waste there will be a drop in the ocean to what the international community will spend there. What is looks like is that Khalsa Aid are pig headed by going there knowing this fact and is only there for publicity. Also asking for donations for Rohingya from the sangat when they have £ 2.5 million in the bank as well as knowing the international community will spend nearly £ 50 million there also shows their lack of common sense. 

You really are clutching at straws trying to justify why Khalsa Aid is not so active in Punjab given that Punjabis need aid as well. So Punjab is corrupt but Haiti, Kashmir/Pakistan, Nepal,, Bangladesh are not corrupt! The basic fact is that giving aid to Punjabis is not a right-on issue in charity circles. There is no publicity is helping Punjabi and lots of publicity in helping in Burma and other places. 

I dont think any brother or sister out there can answer above perfect reply. Publicity for the organization alone brings money and that is the reason why he only helping non-sikhs with Sikhs money. Imagine Mother Teresa helping non-christians only 😑

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superkaur    320
1 hour ago, proactive said:

So is Khalsa Aid in Burma to counteract the poisonous propaganda about Sikhs? The Sewapanthis were in Muslim areas of Punjab as well as in Sindh because this is where their leaders originated from and that is where their Tikanas were. As with all Gurdwaras their institution would provide rest and langar for travellers and those in the local sangat. I doubt that they made a conscious decision to locate to these areas in order to help the Muslims at the expense of helping Sikhs in Sikh areas, How does this relate to what Khalsa Aid is doing. Is Ravi Singh from Burma? The Sewapanthi were originally a Sehajdhari order so where is the proof that the Khalsa is supposed to be going around the world spending the sangat's money on non-Sikhs? 

The Rohingyas are being driven out by the Burmese and it is amazing how much support there is for the Burmese government's actions from the Burmese people of various communities. This Khalsa Aid dalliance in Burma will have unforeseen consequence in that these Rohingya will find out what a soft touch Sikhs are if the Burmese govt does not allow them back into Burma they will want to settle in India and given the opposition to them in the rest of India the place they will go is Punjab, as Punjab doesn't have a Muslim problem already they will add to it. 

The background to the Rohingya is that most are settlers from Bengal during British times and that is why they are not accepted as Burmese citizens. Although there are indigenous Burmese Muslims in other states of Burma but the Burmese govt has no issue with them. We all know what a demographic Jihad is. Bangladesh has been trying to move it's excess population into areas of the North East like Assam and Burma in order to eventually create a Greater Bangladesh.  The anti-foreigners agitation in the early Assam was because of Bangladeshi infiltration into Assam. The Bangladeshi population has exploded over the last 4 decades and there are thought to be over 20 Million illegal Bangladeshis in India. You even see them in Punjab now and they are increasing at an alarming rate. The Rohingyas have settled in Delhi and Jammu and now even the Jammu Hindus are waking up to what dangers they will face from these Rohingyas in future. If the Jammu Hindus attack the Rohingyas their is no doubt the idiotic Sikhs will be the first to welcome the Rohingyas into Punjab and sign the death warrant of the next Sikh generation. Add to this the idiocy of KA showing up what a soft touch Sikhs are then you have the perfect storm of Rohingyas making Punjab their home in future given that the Hindus do not want them in their states. 

Whatever you think of the Burmese, you have to admire the fact that they have woken up to the dangers the Rohingyas pose to them. A few years ago there were riots after the Rohingyas raped a Burmese girl. The Burmese have wised up to the Bangladeshi/Rohingya demographic jihad and they don't want their country to become an Islamic hellhole. You have to admire that they are ready to stand up to the world community as well as Islamic bullying by the Muslim countries. It would be so easy for the Burmese to sit back and let the Rohingya take over Rakhine state while the Burmese elites  enjoy the fruits of economic development bought by globalisation and compliance to the will of the liberal establishments of the west. 

That's another great post and several points I agree with.  I was also going to raise the point about some idiotic naklee Sikhs would be actually crazy enough in welcoming in of muslim rohingya to indian punjab which would be an absolute demographic disaster for Sikh majority and now economically poor punjab.

As much as I have sympathy for the rohingya as a human being as a humanitarian I would never welcome them to india let along punjab at most I would give my 2 pennies worth to help contribute some sort of food for them and get bangladesh or Un or muslim countries resolve the issues they having with burma buddhists.

Also another issue is that the buddhists have been facing hundreds of years of religious and ethnic cleansing of traditions dharmic lands by muslim invaders and hordes from Afghanistan to the steps of central asia to the far east all was hindu lands then and then buddhist land but always in the hand of dharmic open eastern faiths. The abrahmic faith branches do not have that peaceful co-existence mindset, their mindset is demographic take over and population replacement with their faith group either through warfare or population demographic replacement through missionary work, breeding out through love jihad with non-believer women or higher birth rate. And sadly thats the dangers the buddhists have know realised is facing their countries of sri lanka, burma, thailand and so on if they dont get their muslim populations on a tight leash.

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jkvlondon    3,501
On 16/09/2017 at 4:44 PM, superkaur said:

When muslims have 50+ countries over 1 .3 billion population and huge rich governments of iran, saudi, turkey, central asian republics, gulf states, etc and muslims and commanded to only give charity to muslim causes via zakat. 

Why are our very few Sikh charity organisations wasting our very limited financial and manpower resources helping non-sikhs in far off non-sikh lands where the people have no interest in Sikhs or sikhism and would not come to our aid if we ever get in trouble as in 1984 proved. Sikhs 30 million population, no country to our name and struggling religious minority fighting for faith and nation since 1947 due the treacherous dogs of sikh leadership who continually sold the kaum out.

christian aid they have 3 billion christian population rich western countries and vatican bank chuch isnt helping rohingya, hindus have 1 billion population they never helped non-hindus  charity causes ever.

Rohingya will be helped by their muslim breathin eventually there is no doubt about that. Us Sikhs do not need to go off on far off adventures to far off places aimlessly if are not there to help the people embrace sikhi with parchar.

Question is why is khalsa aid continuing to pursue non-sikh charity causes when there's plenty of causes within the Sikh community that needs urgent attention and help but no help is given. (ie afghan Sikhs dwindling population due to persecution and discrimination, pakistani sikhs struggling financial  hardships, indian sikhs in deep poverty and struggling especially families of Shaheeds killed by govt violence). Whats the agenda? foreign adventures? collecting money?

Ravi singh is doing a great job showing he is a humanitarian and at promoting the humanitarian side of Sikhi which is great however, where is his and his orgs priorities? They seem to be lost in my view.

muslim may not help us , hindu may not help us  but NOBODY was helping rohingya , yezidis and others when Khalsa aid got involved as you have seen now Yezidis organisations have taken over most of the on the ground work , syrians helping in syria ,  i do not know if there is any major muslim charity taking over Greece operations  or yet coming forward in bangladesh . There are some global muslim individuals supporting khalsa aid . I have never seen hindu support of any sikh project helping in India as usual it's take take take and complain if sikh charities help anyone else including apne.

I had heard that the projects in Panjab have been haphazardly handled  whether this punjab poltics interfering or lack of focus not sure .

It is not for lack of daswand in Panjab , in fact I would say forget giving daswand to golaks but put it into direct actions to support switch to organic farming , remove pollution and put in support of poor families for higher education/business startup building tech companies  in solar/green tech 

 

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proactive    1,367
8 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

muslim may not help us , hindu may not help us  but NOBODY was helping rohingya , yezidis and others when Khalsa aid got involved as you have seen now Yezidis organisations have taken over most of the on the ground work , syrians helping in syria ,  i do not know if there is any major muslim charity taking over Greece operations  or yet coming forward in bangladesh . There are some global muslim individuals supporting khalsa aid . I have never seen hindu support of any sikh project helping in India as usual it's take take take and complain if sikh charities help anyone else including apne.

I had heard that the projects in Panjab have been haphazardly handled  whether this punjab poltics interfering or lack of focus not sure .

It is not for lack of daswand in Panjab , in fact I would say forget giving daswand to golaks but put it into direct actions to support switch to organic farming , remove pollution and put in support of poor families for higher education/business startup building tech companies  in solar/green tech 

 

Don't fall for the Khalsa Aid narrative that they were the only in those areas. The International community pumped in millions of pounds of aid into Iraq, Syria and Greece. Over $2 billion in aid was given in 2016 to Iraq. There are countless aid agencies working in these areas. I have already said that I do not fault KA helping the Yazidis because they like the Sikhs have no one to help them. The fact is that the Rohingya refugees are in a Muslim country now and it should be up to the Bangladeshi govt and the Muslim community worldwide to help them. Those global Muslim individuals that you allude to as supporting KA will be doing so by making sure that any money they give is solely for the Muslims. Maybe this is the reason that KA has been running to help Muslims before they do anything for Sikhs. 

Punjab is no more or less corrupt that the countries that KA has been working in. If the Punjab projects are working haphazardly it might be to do with a lack of focus on the part of the management of KA.

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jkvlondon    3,501
6 minutes ago, proactive said:

Don't fall for the Khalsa Aid narrative that they were the only in those areas. The International community pumped in millions of pounds of aid into Iraq, Syria and Greece. Over $2 billion in aid was given in 2016 to Iraq. There are countless aid agencies working in these areas. I have already said that I do not fault KA helping the Yazidis because they like the Sikhs have no one to help them. The fact is that the Rohingya refugees are in a Muslim country now and it should be up to the Bangladeshi govt and the Muslim community worldwide to help them. Those global Muslim individuals that you allude to as supporting KA will be doing so by making sure that any money they give is solely for the Muslims. Maybe this is the reason that KA has been running to help Muslims before they do anything for Sikhs. 

Punjab is no more or less corrupt that the countries that KA has been working in. If the Punjab projects are working haphazardly it might be to do with a lack of focus on the part of the management of KA.

yeah well Haiti was a major $hitfe$t in terms of people collecting money for the poor victims of the Haiti earthquake all over the shop and the funds 'disappearing' this incudes the 30 million dollars to clinton foundation who in the end only built 8 houses ...

I know KA is supporting 3 orphanages since then  

I don't blame them wanting to help but where you have first world countries you should hand over responsibilities to them after an initial period , same with massive money collection operations in overseas operations . But my suspicion is that all this is a way to grab money and redirect it elsewhere for the larger international 'charity' orgs like red cross . unicef etc because not much seems to be reaching the end people

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YOYO29    53
3 hours ago, proactive said:

The background to the Rohingya is that most are settlers from Bengal during British times and that is why they are not accepted as Burmese citizens. Although there are indigenous Burmese Muslims in other states of Burma but the Burmese govt has no issue with them. We all know what a demographic Jihad is.

You don't want to help Rohangya that is fine.You can can keep your money to yourself.But for god sake stop trying to justify rohangya genocide.That is true that they migrated to Burma during British era and now burmese govt dont want them.
How would you feel if God forbid Malaysian Muslims start following your advice by kicking out all indian/sikh people who migrated to MALAYA during British period? 
 

 

3 hours ago, proactive said:

The Rohingyas have settled in Delhi and Jammu and now even the Jammu Hindus are waking up to what dangers they will face from these Rohingyas in future. If the Jammu Hindus attack the Rohingyas their is no doubt the idiotic Sikhs will be the first to welcome the Rohingyas into Punjab and sign the death warrant of the next Sikh generation.

And you don't need to worry about Rohangya settling in Punjab.First of all it is highly unlikely that in the presence of fascist Modi any rohnagya would be allowed to enter into India and even if they manage to enter india and come all the way to Jammu they can always migrate to Pakistan if things get messy.there are thousands of rohangya living in Karachi so it would not be a problem for them to migrate to Pakistan plus there exist huge support in favor of rohnagya muslims.Just last week there thousands of protesters in Islambad against Burmese govt.These protesters even tried to enter into diplomatic area in hope of breaching burma embassy.

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YOYO29    53
3 hours ago, proactive said:

Rohingyas pose to them. A few years ago there were riots after the Rohingyas raped a Burmese girl.

So a buddhist girl is  allegedly raped by some rohnagya muslim so their genocide is justified ?? right ? that's what you are implying.If a person does something stupid whole community should be held responsible. I'm afraid by your logic  congress was right in massacring sikhs for the killing of Indira by her sikh bodyguards.


And in case you have not realized rohangya's only fault was that they aligned with British when japanese attacked Burma in WW2 and rohangya fought against Burmese nationalists,and japnese. Since then Rohangya have been on the radar of Burmese leadership.

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