Is khalsa aid wasting sangats resources on muslim rohingya?

[S1ngh]

1 hour ago, Balkaar said:

Any suggestions then? 

For free publicity, my suggestions would be:

Help someone in need. Volunteer in local community hospitals. Give them ride needed. 

Whenever someone needs help on the road, I occasionally stop and ask if they need help. 

Having a good manners and do extra to help someone without the involvement of money is the free publicity that we need. 

Not boosting nor on ego trip but a good portion of my income goes to help Sikhs only. As I strongly believe that's where our top priorities should be - helping ours before we help others.

Not blaming any organization who are doing their own work but sometime they also need a third eye - an outsiders viewpoint on what they been doing.

[singh598]

It's easy for people to complain sitting on a nice sofa in a comfortable room in a nice warm house 

Imagine what it is like for those HUMANBEINGS

[Ranjeet01]

I do sometimes wonder why we as Sikhs prefer to help non-Sikhs over their own.

I wonder if we as Sikhs hold ourselves to a different standard compared to non-Sikhs.

I think somewhere in our subconscious if we see a non-sikh that needs help we seem them as weaker than us and therefore we help them.

But if we see a Sikh in position of needing help we expect them to be stronger and expect them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Our expectation of them is to be more resourceful. There is an image of invincibility amongst ourselves that we should have never gotten in that position in the first place and we should be too proud to ask for help.

We have somewhat an inverse relationship with ourselves in that we are soft on non-Sikhs but tough with our own Sikhs. Whereas it is the opposite with other communities. 

I know Dashmesh Pita said "Recognise humanity as one" which is used as the main logo for Khalsa Aid but we are humans also.

However,  we are distinct set of humans. We are a people, a nation just like other nations. 

There is that old adage "charity begins at home"

[SoulSingh]

3 hours ago, Balkaar said:

The Singhs who dragged Bhai Kanhaiya before Kalgidhar Patshaah sounded very similar to you. "Why give water to some muslim, an enemy, when you could be giving water to a Sikh instead? Shouldn't the Sikhs be a priority?"  I shouldn't have to remind you how this turned out for them. 

When Dashmesh Pitaa asked Bhai Sahib why he had done this,  Kanhaiya replied "I saw no Mughal or Sikh on the field of battle Maharaj, I saw only you". Guru Gobind Singh said that of all those present in the group Kanhaiya alone had understood the real message of Gurbani. Bhai Kanhaiya was right. The Singhs were wrong. I believe you are wrong about this too bhenji. Be careful not to become so obsessed with protecting 'sikhi' that you forget what you're supposed to be protecting in the first place. 

Helping somebody is never a waste of anything, it is not only one of the best things we can do for others, but one of the best things we can do for our own Sikhi. 

Akaaaaaaal!

[Big_Tera]

6 hours ago, superkaur said:

When muslims have 50+ countries over 1 .3 billion population and huge rich governments of iran, saudi, turkey, central asian republics, gulf states, etc and muslims and commanded to only give charity to muslim causes via zakat. 

Why are our very few Sikh charity organisations wasting our very limited financial and manpower resources helping non-sikhs in far off non-sikh lands where the people have no interest in Sikhs or sikhism and would not come to our aid if we ever get in trouble as in 1984 proved. Sikhs 30 million population, no country to our name and struggling religious minority fighting for faith and nation since 1947 due the treacherous dogs of sikh leadership who continually sold the kaum out.

christian aid they have 3 billion christian population rich western countries and vatican bank chuch isnt helping rohingya, hindus have 1 billion population they never helped non-hindus  charity causes ever.

Rohingya will be helped by their muslim breathin eventually there is no doubt about that. Us Sikhs do not need to go off on far off adventures to far off places aimlessly if are not there to help the people embrace sikhi with parchar.

Question is why is khalsa aid continuing to pursue non-sikh charity causes when there's plenty of causes within the Sikh community that needs urgent attention and help but no help is given. (ie afghan Sikhs dwindling population due to persecution and discrimination, pakistani sikhs struggling financial  hardships, indian sikhs in deep poverty and struggling especially families of Shaheeds killed by govt violence). Whats the agenda? foreign adventures? collecting money?

Ravi singh is doing a great job showing he is a humanitarian and at promoting the humanitarian side of Sikhi which is great however, where is his and his orgs priorities? They seem to be lost in my view.

I agree. Charity starts at home. 

Khalsa aid is a great organisation. But why should we give money to syria and rohinga. 

These people will laugh that we are helping them. Sikhs cant even build a Gurdwara in syria and other arab countries. We are also persecuted. yet we help these same people.

Its a case of trying to be to goody goody.  

 

 

[Guest Jacfsing2]

4 hours ago, Balkaar said:

The Singhs who dragged Bhai Kanhaiya before Kalgidhar Patshaah sounded very similar to you. "Why give water to some muslim, an enemy, when you could be giving water to a Sikh instead? Shouldn't the Sikhs be a priority?"  I shouldn't have to remind you how this turned out for them. 

When Dashmesh Pitaa asked Bhai Sahib why he had done this,  Kanhaiya replied "I saw no Mughal or Sikh on the field of battle Maharaj, I saw only you". Guru Gobind Singh said that of all those present in the group Kanhaiya alone had understood the real message of Gurbani. Bhai Kanhaiya was right. The Singhs were wrong. I believe you are wrong about this too bhenji. Be careful not to become so obsessed with protecting 'sikhi' that you forget what you're supposed to be protecting in the first place. 

Helping somebody is never a waste of anything, it is not only one of the best things we can do for others, but one of the best things we can do for our own Sikhi. 

2 completely different things. Ravi Singh is probably a great man, trying to be a good Sikh, but the comparison of Bhai Kanahaiya to him is not something I'd recommend. Bhai Kanahaiya served as a Sevak whoever he can, regardless of whether they were Sikh or not. Ravi Singh is trying to exclude Sikhs. If he helped Afghan Sikhs, Middle-Eastern Sikhs, or African Sikhs, nobody would bat an eye, but he excludes Sikhs, and it's not beneficial to anyone.

3 hours ago, Balkaar said:

What are you talking about? Of course we do. Our lack of publicity is the number one reason so many Sikhs are targeted in the West by confused bigots, why every rally we ever hold in support of our self-determination is routinely ignored by Western media, and why Guru Nanak's message is barely spreading outside the Punjabi demographic. Publicity is exactly what we need. 

Before any publicity, we need an independent Sikh organization that represents Sikh-interests support internationally. Fiancial Aid to Sikhs in Punjab or wherever, consueling for Sikhs, and only then will we no longer be seen as 3rd rate citizens in the world. 

[acsap]

4 hours ago, Balkaar said:

The Singhs who dragged Bhai Kanhaiya before Kalgidhar Patshaah sounded very similar to you. "Why give water to some muslim, an enemy, when you could be giving water to a Sikh instead? Shouldn't the Sikhs be a priority?"  I shouldn't have to remind you how this turned out for them. 

When Dashmesh Pitaa asked Bhai Sahib why he had done this,  Kanhaiya replied "I saw no Mughal or Sikh on the field of battle Maharaj, I saw only you". Guru Gobind Singh said that of all those present in the group Kanhaiya alone had understood the real message of Gurbani. Bhai Kanhaiya was right. The Singhs were wrong. I believe you are wrong about this too bhenji. Be careful not to become so obsessed with protecting 'sikhi' that you forget what you're supposed to be protecting in the first place. 

Helping somebody is never a waste of anything, it is not only one of the best things we can do for others, but one of the best things we can do for our own Sikhi. 

I enjoy reading your posts, and I can see where you are coming from in your analogy about Bhai Kanhaiya.  I can see how helping rohingya is aligned with Sikhi. However, your analogy is not very applicable here, if Sikhs/khalsa aid were in Burma helping Sikhs, and if they don't help fellow Muslims in the same position then that will be going against Bhai Kanhaiya and Sikhi. In this situation, it is different, we are not helping fellow Sikhs in Punjab, but going out of the way to help Muslims, when Muslims are in much better position to help. It is like Sikhs going out of the way to help Palestinians get a country when Sikhs cannot even get their own country or Bhai Kanhaiya giving water to dying Muslims soldiers even when hundred of Muslims can give them water, but nobody is giving Sikhs soldiers any water. 

Presently, Sikhs are helping fellow Sikhs and everyone else who needs help in Florida and Texas (after hurricanes) and you can see in the videos that Sikhs are helping everyone who needs help, as Sikhs are there, and that is what Sikhs do.  I think that is Bhai Kanhaiya and Sikh philosophy, and not the analogy you gave. At least, in my view. 

 

[SoulSingh]

You guys are missing the point here, not all tasks need to benefit us. Forcing khalsa raj, pushing for publicity isn't the point of seva. It's selfless service (Helping just to help), once you attach an agenda behind it, it's not seva. That's what Ravi singh does, seva. 

[Balkaar]

56 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

2 completely different things. Ravi Singh is probably a great man, trying to be a good Sikh, but the comparison of Bhai Kanahaiya to him is not something I'd recommend. Bhai Kanahaiya served as a Sevak whoever he can, regardless of whether they were Sikh or not. Ravi Singh is trying to exclude Sikhs. If he helped Afghan Sikhs, Middle-Eastern Sikhs, or African Sikhs, nobody would bat an eye, but he excludes Sikhs, and it's not beneficial to anyone.

Before any publicity, we need an independent Sikh organization that represents Sikh-interests support internationally. Fiancial Aid to Sikhs in Punjab or wherever, consueling for Sikhs, and only then will we no longer be seen as 3rd rate citizens in the world. 

Khalsa Aid doesn't exclude Sikhs veeray, you can see a list of their projects on their website where they clearly set out the work they do with Sikhs in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq:

http://www.khalsaaid.org/projects/kabul-refugee-aid

http://www.khalsaaid.org/projects/displaced-sikhs-in-iraq

http://www.khalsaaid.org/projects/displaced-sikhs-in-pakistan

As well as Sikhs in Punjab and other parts of India:

http://www.khalsaaid.org/projects/punjab-floods-2007

http://www.khalsaaid.org/news/sikligar-sikhs-project

http://www.focuspunjab.org/

45 minutes ago, acsap said:

 In this situation, it is different, we are not helping fellow Sikhs in Punjab, but going out of the way to help Muslims, when Muslims are in much better position to help. It is like Sikhs going out of the way to help Palestinians get a country when Sikhs cannot even get their own country or Bhai Kanhaiya giving water to dying Muslims soldiers even when hundred of Muslims can give them water, but nobody is giving Sikhs soldiers any water. 

Muslims can help their brothers and sisters, but often they do not. The Palestinians for instance, despite the lip-service paid to their cause across the Islamic world, have been all but abandoned in practice. The response to the Syrian refugee crisis by the rest of the Arab countries was also shamefully tepid, and the plight of the Kurds elicits little sympathy from anyone. In a world which is increasingly full of chauvinism, I believe we should be glad to belong to a community which is one of the few that even attempts to rise above the divisions and embrace its responsibility to the wider human race, when most others are only concerned with looking out for their own - the people in their own house, or their own country, or of their own religion. I am happy to see the Sikh Panth taking steps towards realizing what I hope is its destiny as the moral conscience of the entire world. 

 

 

 

[proactive]

6 hours ago, Big_Tera said:

I agree. Charity starts at home. 

Khalsa aid is a great organisation. But why should we give money to syria and rohinga. 

These people will laugh that we are helping them. Sikhs cant even build a Gurdwara in syria and other arab countries. We are also persecuted. yet we help these same people.

Its a case of trying to be to goody goody.  

 

 

Unfortunately being goody goody has deadly consequences in that you are diverting money that could be used to help Sikhs to being non-Sikhs. I imagine a lot of Sikh lives could have been saved but instead KA wanted the publicity of helping non-Sikhs for whom there were already lots of charities helping these non-Sikhs anyway. What KA did in places like Kosovo, Haiti etc were drops in the ocean to what the overall aid effort was from the international community. 

I support what they did in Syria because that was a unique case where the Yazidis were the forgotten people by the international community and were facing the worst kind of persecution by the Muslims. They were facing what the Sikhs faced in the 18th century.