What does Sikhi say on slavery ?

[YOYO29]

10 minutes ago, BhForce said:

It is true that the pro-equality and anti-caste verses could be interpreted and extended to be thought anti-slavery. The following verse could possibly be interpreted to be anti-slavery:

I think it answers my query 

2 minutes ago, BhForce said:

BTW, it would be extremely misleading to say that Gurbani being "silent" on this issue means that a Sikh can either have a slave or not have a slave, no problems, because Gurbani is "silent".

This was certainly not my intention.Please keep in mind English is not my mother language and neither do I have studied in English medium schools.I have been to Urdu medium schools in all my life.So sometimes I have a hard time choosing the right word for expressing myself or asking any questions.

[YOYO29]

8 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

He describes in Baburvani  the condition of the women taken as  slaves irrespective of faith

Is it available in pdf form ?

[BhForce]

9 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

with the advent of invaders it become a problem and Guru ji spoke against both types .

He describes in Baburvani  the condition of the women taken as  slaves irrespective of faith

Well, OK, but you have to admit it is merely a glancing mention by Guru Sahib. And it's only a mention of dishonoring of women, not really of ongoing sex slavery. And also not of "normal" slavery of men.

Now, I"m not saying slavery is OK because Gurbani doesn't mention it. To the contrary.

But, it's a blow to those Sikhs who naively say that they will only follow Guru Granth Sahib and nothing else. The fact is there is a whole host of stuff we are to do and not do which is not really explicitly mentioned in Guru Granth Sahib.

[YOYO29]

14 minutes ago, BhForce said:

just like the word Talaak (divorce).

you mean to say that there is no word for divorce in Sikhi or in Punjabi language ? Just curious to know how divorce is done in Sikhism ? or marriage is a life long thing just like Catholics ?

[BhForce]

5 minutes ago, YOYO29 said:

Is it available in pdf form ?

I don't know, but you can read the Babur bani online here:

https://www.sikhs.org/transl12.htm

[jkvlondon]

Just now, BhForce said:

Well, OK, but you have to admit it is merely a glancing mention by Guru Sahib. And it's only a mention of dishonoring of women, not really of ongoing sex slavery. And also not of "normal" slavery of men.

Now, I"m not saying slavery is OK because Gurbani doesn't mention it. To the contrary.

But, it's a blow to those Sikhs who naively say that they will only follow Guru Granth Sahib and nothing else. The fact is there is a whole host of stuff we are to do and not do which is not really explicitly mentioned in Guru Granth Sahib.

but if you follow the rehit of not hurting another's heart as too are God's light then it is near impossible to abuse, misuse or imprison as a slave another person. you cannot honour the godhead in someone and similtaneously treat them less than an animal.

[BhForce]

Just now, YOYO29 said:

you mean to say that there is not word for divorcee in Sikhi or in Punjabi language ? Just curious to know how divorce is done in Sikhism ? or marriage is a life long thing just like Catholics ?

Right, people use the word "talaak".

Basically, in Islam, marriage is a wordly contract. In Sikhism, as in Christianity, marriage is seen as holy. Of course, people do what they want to. We're talking about the religion.

[BhForce]

1 minute ago, jkvlondon said:

but if you follow the rehit of not hurting another's heart as too are God's light then it is near impossible to abuse, misuse or imprison as a slave another person. you cannot honour the godhead in someone and similtaneously treat them less than an animal.

Yeah, that's fine. But it's still extensions and interpretations of Gurbani. It's not explicit like he was asking.

And that's a refutation of Sikhs who claim to "only follow Guru Granth Sahib".

[jkvlondon]

2 minutes ago, YOYO29 said:

you mean to say that there is not word for divorcee in Sikhi or in Punjabi language ? Just curious to know how divorce is done in Sikhism ? or marriage is a life long thing just like Catholics ?

Marriage is a dedication of oneself  to Akal Purakh in Sikhi not owning another human or dedicating oneself to another. Both partners agree top support each other in this life mission to get union with Akal Purakh that's it. You can't divorce in sikhi because marriage is on a different premise to other faith marriages

[YOYO29]

1 minute ago, BhForce said:

Right, people use the word "talaak".

Basically, in Islam, marriage is a wordly contract. In Sikhism, as in Christianity, marriage is seen as holy. Of course, people do what they want to. We're talking about the religion.

okay but what a person does if does not want to live with his/her partner.Do they approach some sikh panchayat for dissolving their marriage ? or they just stop living in the same house ?