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Jacfsing2    1,845

Average people can't nominate someone for a Nobel Peace Prize: only a select few elites can nominate someone, these are quoted, "

Members of national assemblies and national governments (cabinet members/ministers) of sovereign states as well as current heads of states
Members of The International Court of Justice in The Hague and The Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague
Members of Institut de Droit International
University professors, professors emeriti and associate professors of history, social sciences, law, philosophy, theology, and religion; university rectors and university directors (or their equivalents); directors of peace research institutes and foreign policy institutes
Persons who have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize
Members of the main board of directors or its equivalent for organizations that have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize
Current and former members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee (proposals by current members of the Committee to be submitted no later than at the first meeting of the Committee after 1 February)
Former advisers to the Norwegian Nobel Committee

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simran345    2,426
5 hours ago, TejS said:

Ravi Singh, of Khalsa Aid, is someone who I immensely look up to, and I'm sure many others do as well. He is the embodiment of a true Gurmukh who does not preach Sikhi, but practices it. He is a human being that sees no religion/caste/creed and through Khalsa Aid has done great humanitarian work.

Agree, he's a great guy and so down to earth too. 

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TejS    228
12 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Average people can't nominate someone for a Nobel Peace Prize: only a select few elites can nominate someone, these are quoted, "

Members of national assemblies and national governments (cabinet members/ministers) of sovereign states as well as current heads of states
Members of The International Court of Justice in The Hague and The Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague
Members of Institut de Droit International
University professors, professors emeriti and associate professors of history, social sciences, law, philosophy, theology, and religion; university rectors and university directors (or their equivalents); directors of peace research institutes and foreign policy institutes
Persons who have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize
Members of the main board of directors or its equivalent for organizations that have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize
Current and former members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee (proposals by current members of the Committee to be submitted no later than at the first meeting of the Committee after 1 February)
Former advisers to the Norwegian Nobel Committee

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Yes, I was aware of this. But how can we as a community raise this idea up to the people, the few elites as you say, that can make this happen? Surely, there's something we can do to get Ravi Singh more exposure.

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proactive    1,349

Most of these peace prizes are given for purely political reasons.Obama got his because the Swedish liberal elites wanted to stick two fingers up at the outgoing Bush and the Republicans. That Malala girl got one because the liberal elites want to highlight girls' education in Pak/Afg as well as raise the number of Muslim Nobel prize winners.

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jkvlondon    3,419

Why ? because he needs to keep company of the politically fashionable only to be torn down when not?     Isn't the reward of Guru ji's sewa enough...

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S1ngh    1,354

I changed my thinking for past couple of years. I think we are on the wrong path. We don't care of our own who needs help and we started dozen of organizations worrying of others who really don't need our help as they have more resources. 

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Jai Tegang!    18
2 hours ago, S1ngh said:

I changed my thinking for past couple of years. I think we are on the wrong path. We don't care of our own who needs help and we started dozen of organizations worrying of others who really don't need our help as they have more resources. 

I feel the same. We need to set our own house in order before helping others. Dont want to belittle Ravi singhs great work, but if only we could put our resources for helping the weaker sections of the panth first before spreading out. Jewish community is a great example of using community resources for nation and state building.

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proactive    1,349
12 hours ago, S1ngh said:

I changed my thinking for past couple of years. I think we are on the wrong path. We don't care of our own who needs help and we started dozen of organizations worrying of others who really don't need our help as they have more resources. 

I've had the same opinion for many years. I remember having a debate with Ravi Singh on Sikhnet over 16 years when Khalsa Aid was collecting money for the Gujarat earthquake. I asked him why he wasn't doing anything for Punjab and those Sikh farmers committing suicide (yes, the issue does go far that back) there who needed help. His view was that Khalsa Aid needed to gain a 'reputation' by helping in other causes first and  then start projects for Punjab. I thought that was a BS excuse then and seeing how they have only done some minor work in Punjab while the vast majority of funds goes towards non-Sikhs shows that was just an excuse. His other argument was that they were only involved in humanitarian and disaster relief so they could not help the Sikh farmers! 

It's an unfortunate fact but Sikh organisations such as Khalsa Aid and United Sikhs are mainly only interested in rushing to help non-Sikhs  while pushing the needy Sikhs to the side. Only organisation that I see which is involved in Sikh causes is Sikh Relief. They should be the ones that we should be giving donations to and not Khalsa Aid. 

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GuestSingh    13

I could not agree more with some of the posts above. Pleased to know others feel the same about the direction of so-called 'Sikh' charities who refuse to put the needs of their own first. Shame on them.

Many worldwide charities are tending to the millions upon millions suffering from poverty, war and persecution worldwide which is obviously pleasing but how many of them are helping Panjab or surrounding areas? If Sikh charities cannot help their own then, in my eyes, they are showing the world that Panjab does not need help. This is a lie and our problems will become worse. Imagine if every Panjabi or so-called 'Sikh' in the west, each gave dasvandh for aid relief only in Panjab.

As already mentioned, the best way to overcome this is donate only to charities whose priority is only the welfare of Panjab/surrounding areas. I feel many so-called 'Sikhs' need to be informed about this as I get the impression that they just happy to donate 10% of their money to any charity as long as 10% is given but they know very little if anything about where it all goes. Where is the sense in that?

I agree about Sikh Relief UK. I see others doing good work too.

http://www.sikhrelief.org/donate.html

https://educatepunjab.net/sponsor-a-child?sc=SPC

http://sikhchannelaid.com/choose-your-payment-method.html

https://barusahib.org/donate-uk/

Akaal Channel - phone: 0121 551 1001 (world cancer hospital and bone marrow appeals)

https://www.nanakg.org/donate

http://lionsmma.net/charity-work/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzzMCC-6Q_n9TJQWbmHqFFQ

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TejS    228

I agree with the notion that we must first succeed as a community ourselves, before going out and fixing the issues of others, and of course, charity begins at home. However, what Ravi Singh is doing isn't bad at all. I think we as a community have developed a very bad habit of criticizing each other for any achievements whatsoever. I agree that Ravi Singh should be doing more for Sikh issues, but he's also not doing anything bad either, he's instead following Sikhi by helping people irrespective of their faith, creed, ethnicity (so basically recognizing the human race as one). I think we need to overlook some of his faults (which I agree he does have, but who doesn't) and instead see how we can get not only him more exposure, but our community good exposure as well. Name one Sikh that has won a Nobel Prize, none. It wouldn't hurt to have one, and so if there's a likely candidate such as Ravi Singh, why not back him up?

@jkvlondon Of course the reward of seva is unmatched by anything, however a Sikh getting a Nobel Prize is a great achievement for our community, collectively. So I don't see what's wrong in helping Ravi Singh achieve that goal, which is ultimately a communal goal. 

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On 9/15/2017 at 5:50 PM, proactive said:

I've had the same opinion for many years. I remember having a debate with Ravi Singh on Sikhnet over 16 years when Khalsa Aid was collecting money for the Gujarat earthquake. I asked him why he wasn't doing anything for Punjab and those Sikh farmers committing suicide (yes, the issue does go far that back) there who needed help. His view was that Khalsa Aid needed to gain a 'reputation' by helping in other causes first and  then start projects for Punjab. I thought that was a BS excuse then and seeing how they have only done some minor work in Punjab while the vast majority of funds goes towards non-Sikhs shows that was just an excuse. His other argument was that they were only involved in humanitarian and disaster relief so they could not help the Sikh farmers! 

It's an unfortunate fact but Sikh organisations such as Khalsa Aid and United Sikhs are mainly only interested in rushing to help non-Sikhs  while pushing the needy Sikhs to the side. Only organisation that I see which is involved in Sikh causes is Sikh Relief. They should be the ones that we should be giving donations to and not Khalsa Aid. 

Although I admire ravi singh in many ways for being a humanitarian and he clearly has pro-sikhi creditianls often battling hindutva extremists on twitter when exposing crimes against Sikhs by the indian govt however I feel his org Khalsa Aid is not actually khalsa Aid its not aiding Sikhs its aiding mostly non-sikhs and thats a fundamental flaw in its remit, its vision and goal as a Sikh charity it should be purely Sikh centric and its missed the mark for years now.

The first time I heard of khalsa Aid was back in April 2000 during vaisakhi nagar kirtan some guys with labels of help for kashmiri Sikhs were collecting funds in buckets for the victims of the chattisinghpura anti-sikh massacre by islamo-fascist jihadis during bill clintons visit there. I thought wow our sikh brothers and sisters affected there are being helped by fellow Sikhs at last as I had never seen charities rising funds to help only Sikhs. I give some money but over the years I realised this Khalsa Aid and united Sikhs org are fake news are a sham they are not muslim charities where they only help their fellow muslims they are a charity that mascarades as a Sikh charity but in essence goes off helping more non-sikhs if anything.

Ravi singh as an individual is doing great for the image of Sikhs worldwide so aint going to knock him for that, I support him fully in helping yazadi's especially as they have no one that supports or helps them in the world whereas rohingya muslims have vast number of muslims and muslim govt's to help them.

Ravi singh does deserve humanitarian award but his organisation doesn't really deserve the respected title of a Sikh charity that only belongs to charities that actually using hard earn sangats money to help our brethren or spreads sikhi via parchar.

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