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What is relative morality?  It means basing your morals on what those around you are doing.  E.g. everyone else drinks (alcohol) so why shouldn't I drink?  Everyone else lies and steals should why shouldn't I? Mindless conformity.

And what is absolute morality?  Morality that is timeless, that your inner conscience tells you (and common sense) is right, and that is often expressed by higher principles.  E.g.  Drinking alcohol is immoral.  Lying is wrong.  Stealing is wrong.  And even if 99% of the people around me may engage in these things, I won't, on this basis.  This is intelligence based on individuality.

The point in this post is that I think too many people have fallen into a mindset of relative morality.  

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Jacfsing2    1,831

Morality is subjective, the reason something is right or wrong is because Vaheguru made it wrong, so morality isn't higher than Vaheguru, but rather lower. 

Is Robin Hood, (if he existed), a hero or a criminal? 

There is absolutely no such thing as objective morality in any eastern philospphy, it is only a product of Judea-Christian beliefs.

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Hi

I'm not sure I understand your point.  Yes He is higher than morals, but He is higher than us also.  Are you trying to say morality is irrelevant?  I do not see how anyone with a familiarity with SGGS and Dasam Bani could state that view.  All the good virtues (gunas) are His and by partaking in them that is a way or worshipping Him and liberating ourselves. (btw I personally don't like to brazenly write Gurmantra/Naam, so I refer to Him as He, just a personal thing hope you don't mind).  You can find so many Saloks in Nitnem that show them.

You sound like someone who actively engages in dishonesty and thinks it is justified.  Thats the only reason I can think that someone would support such a view as yours.

The example of Robin Hood is not complicated.  Stealing is wrong.  Sharing with the poor is good.  Were they starving?  Ok then, I understand stealing, but that doesn't make it 'right'.  Also they could have done it the most ethical way possible.  Who knows, a high class bhagat probably would rather depend on God or starve to death, then steal.  But the point I am making is personal morality, not about sitting in judgement of others.  I.e. it is for Robing Hood to reflect on his own behaviour.  (Also, all this is assuming that what we even know about him is true.  The historical records are sparse, from what I understand).

You put the example of Einstein on the thread I made about honesty, (but i could not respond because the admin. moved it).  Firstly, just because Einstein had great scientific insight, that doesn't make him an authority on morality.  That is fallacious reasoning.  Secondly, what actually happened is that he regretted signing a petition for the US government to create an atomic bomb, because he thought Germany were actively trying to make one.  He later learnt that this was wrong, hence regretted petitioning the government.  He did not regret his research, only his political actions.   Maybe if you had more respect for truthfulness you would  not get your facts so mixed up?

As for Judea-Christian beliefs, I would say the 10 commandments are very agreeable as a guideline for a devotee of God, and the seven deadly sins.  Jesus's utmost commandment was to love God with everything you have.  That is not 'subjective', that is kind of the point (in bhakti).

I think every eastern dharam has some kind of morality.  

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