Did Winston Churchill & British Establishment deliberately want partition and deadly violence in punjab

[akaltaksal]

11 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

agreed the himichal folks speak Potohari and can hold perfect Punjabi conversation easily - own experience in 2015.

haranvi - is just a made up language to drive home the hindi suba argument , most understand and speak punjabi. it's all spineless behaviour from Hindu panjabis who have no love for their mother land or tongue

you just need to read to understand just how widely spoken Punjabi is , it is now Canada's most spoken immigrant language , I think true in UK too.

I think it's just some kind of Pahari dialect. I hear what they call 'Potwari' or 'Bhappaya di Upboli' in Delhi, Khanna, Gurgaon, and parts of UP. 

 

In the case of Haryanvi, most northern and central Haryanvi speakers are arguably those who reverted to speaking Hindi from their previous Panjabi dialects,  they still have certain inflections, style, speech rhythms and accents that are very similar to Panjabi. There are  pure breed Panjabi Hindus in the middle of Jalandhar who can't/won't speak Panjabi despite living there all their lives.

[akaltaksal]

The Panjabi language is very diverse in terms of it's dialects. 

I know of a few pinds were the locals say 'Mai Aanda' instead of 'Mai Kehna'. 

Places like Sangrur strip their words of all Bindis. 

Despite all the pressure to kill Panjabi, the Panjabi music and movie industry is probably what's keeping it alive and popular (kuch ta changa kita). 

A severely threatened dialect as of now is Khalsai Boli or Garr Gaj Bola which is losing speakers rapidly. 

[jkvlondon]

2 hours ago, akaltaksal said:

The Panjabi language is very diverse in terms of it's dialects. 

I know of a few pinds were the locals say 'Aanda' instead of 'Mai Kehna'. 

Places like Sangrur strip their words of all Bindis lol. 

Despite all the pressure to kill Panjabi, the Panjabi music and movie industry is probably what's keeping it alive and popular (kuch ta changa kita). 

A severely threatened dialect as of now is Khalsai Boli or Garr Gaj Bola which is losing speakers rapidly. 

need to collect this in vocabulary/dictionary form , along with detailed shastar knowledge like form , making , care and training.

 

 

[YOYO29]

21 hours ago, akaltaksal said:

Your Panjab is not the same as our Panjab. There's a significant difference. 

Seriously ? How much language has been changed in mere 70 years ?

[Dsinghd]

On 07/09/2017 at 5:55 PM, YOYO29 said:

In our side punjabi language's fate is sealed.People are ashamed to speak Punjabi due to fear of being judged as pendu.Sadly there is no future for punjabi in pakistan. I don't remember when was the last time a book in punjabi was published in Punjab.

Pakistanis speak excellent Punjabi. Our Punjabi is shifting towards Hindi.

[akaltaksal]

6 hours ago, YOYO29 said:

Seriously ? How much language has been changed in mere 70 years ?

I'm not speaking solely in regards to language, though that would be one notable point. But also of the culture, demographics, and social climate which are influenced by a wide array of factors which then in turn influence language. 

language can change fairly enough in 70 years.

[akaltaksal]

6 hours ago, Dsinghdp said:

Pakistanis speak excellent Punjabi. Our Punjabi is shifting towards Hindi.

Their Panjabi itself has shifted towards Urdu. It's happening on both sides.

[YOYO29]

6 hours ago, akaltaksal said:

language can change fairly enough in 70 years.

But I can easily have a conversation with an Indian Punjabi without any difficulty and also I can completely understand any Indian Punjabi movies.So I would say language has not changed so much.

[YOYO29]

On 9/8/2017 at 10:44 PM, Dsinghdp said:

Pakistanis speak excellent Punjabi.

Yes in rural areas,Urban areas have already adopted Urdu.Now even in rural areas people are adopting Urdu.Punjabi is considered a language of Pendus. If you visit any school,college or university you will hardly find any one speaking Punjabi.It does not mean that students or teachers do not know Punjabi. They are afraid that if they spoke punjabi, they would have bad impression.

[KhoonKaBadlaKhoon]

On 09/09/2017 at 0:17 AM, YOYO29 said:

Yes in rural areas,Urban areas has already adopted Urdu.Now even in rural areas people area adopting Urdu.Punjabi is considered a language of Pendus. If you visit any school,college or university you will hardly find any one speaking Punjabi.It does not mean that students or teachers do not know Punjabi. They are afraid that if they spoke punjabi, they would have bad impression.

I think that is a phenomena based in Punjab only. I've met a few diaspora Pakistani Punjabis who are trying to organize forums etc to preserve Punjabi and their respective dialects.