Did Winston Churchill & British Establishment deliberately want partition and deadly violence in punjab

[Guest Jacfsing2]

2 minutes ago, YOYO29 said:

And neither should you.May be you NRI Sikhs know about that bur i doubt if majority of Indian Sikhs know about that.

I'm sure more Sikhs in India can list the names of the Mughal emperors better than they can remember the 11 Gurus names.

[YOYO29]

i was talking about treacherous role of some hindu against Gurus

[S1ngh]

12 hours ago, YOYO29 said:

Haryana and Himchal are not Punjabi speaking areas. Districts of Gurgaon,Rohtak and Hissar were not part of punjab.These district were added to Punjab after 1857 war of Independence. Himachal and Haryana people have  weird accent,dialect (more closer to hindi) and they can't be classified as Punjabi.And without carving out haryna and himachal from East Punjab there would have been no Sikh majority.

So, your point is to separate and divide the land based on language ? The whole world is burning based on this ideology. Oh, separate culture/religion/caste/language, dissect it.. Crazy philosophy.

[Ranjeet01]

18 hours ago, S1ngh said:

True with your post but they were once part of Punjab and taking it away from Punjab brings thunderous crippling state economy. Imagine the state tax revenue being lost by taking this land away from punjab. That was the main point. 

The success of Gurgaon is a very recent phenomenon. 

Only 30 years ago, it was an extremely backward area.

[KhoonKaBadlaKhoon]

3 hours ago, S1ngh said:

So, your point is to separate and divide the land based on language ? The whole world is burning based on this ideology. Oh, separate culture/religion/caste/language, dissect it.. Crazy philosophy.

I don't think that was his point at all. But that we can't really complain about losing lands that aren't Punjabi or weren't conquered/ruled by us. Weren't ours to begin with. The lands lost during Punjabi Suba movement that are Punjabi speaking, or historically Sikh ruled indeed should have remained ours.

We gave up a large Punjabi speaking area in exchange for a smaller Sikh dominated area to become a majority for once. I'd say it's worth it. 

[Singh559]

On 9/3/2017 at 6:27 AM, Dsinghdp said:

The Muslim population were ready for partition and sharpened their axes to kill Sikhs and Hindus. The Sikhs and Hindus were saying there will be no Pakistan and only leaved the place when they heard the order on the speakers, for them to leave Pakistan.

This is true they massacred Sikhs in Rawalpindi and Thoha Khalsa months before partition even occurred. Muslim league fueled by Jinnah's communalism ensured partition occurred. They raped, killed and burnt Sikhs en-masse and desecrated Gurdwaras starting the blood shed.

Sikhs retaliated fiercely due to Sullehs dirty tactics in partition. We were a minority in population in most areas and Sulleh become so emboldened they thought they could invade our side of Punjab and retake that as well. Sikh Jathas, no matter how morally reprehensible, retaliated in the fiercest and coldest manner as a reaction to sulleh.

[YOYO29]

1 hour ago, Singh559 said:

<banned word filter activated> become so emboldened they thought they could invade our side of Punjab and retake that as well

BS .This is propaganda.We have some writers on our side who said the same thing about Sikhs that they want to make a separate country of their Sikhistan and they would conquer Lahore and Nankana Sahib like old days.There were some incidents reported where sikh jathas from East Punjab attacked border villages in West Punjab side as boundaries were not that clear.And there was hardly any pak military on border.There were reports that Sikhs with the help of Sikh princely states want to recapture West Punjab.

[Singh559]

8 hours ago, YOYO29 said:

BS .This is propaganda.We have some writers on our side who said the same thing about Sikhs that they want to make a separate country of their Sikhistan and they would conquer Lahore and Nankana Sahib like old days.There were some incidents reported where sikh jathas from East Punjab attacked border villages in West Punjab side as boundaries were not that clear.And there was hardly any pak military on border.There were reports that Sikhs with the help of Sikh princely states want to recapture West Punjab.

I have first hand accounts from newspapers that show Muslims dressed up with beards and desecrated Mosques to further fuel communal tensions.

Also what I'm talking about is well documented and accepted by both sides of the border. Friend has pictures contemporary to the massacre in MONTHS before partition dated and all.

[akaltaksal]

On 9/4/2017 at 10:40 AM, superkaur said:

Benefited how? by becoming majority in 1/3 of already halved punjab (between india and pakistan) and enslaved in the hindu majority Indian Union? Genocided in 1980s 90s. Golden temple attacked, books destroyed and looted. women raped, kids killed? What benefit?

And If his actions of drawing the sword infront of a crowd of baying mob of Muslim nationalists rallying for pakistan in 1940s is not the actions of a fool and is not an act of aggression then I dont know what is.

You are aware that the Muslim League threatened the entire Sikh populous of that time, right?  Those Turk-Beerjeh had already started attacking Sikhs a whole year prior to Partition.  It was in their interest to not only drive the Sikh population out, but ethnically cleanse and purge  Panjab of our existence, ensuring they make massive territorial gains.  What Master Tara Singh did was what was rational at that time.  He drew his sword and so what? The Muslims had already stained their own blades with Sikh and Hindu Blood. There was no other viable option. We were losing our land and homes to these people.  You think he should've demanded a Sikh nation? With a disproportionately low Sikh population scattered throughout the districts of Panjab, forming no majority in any of them? 

 

[akaltaksal]

On 9/4/2017 at 10:25 PM, YOYO29 said:

Haryana and Himchal are not Punjabi speaking areas. Districts of Gurgaon,Rohtak and Hissar were not part of punjab.These district were added to Punjab after 1857 war of Independence. Himachal and Haryana people have  weird accent,dialect (more closer to hindi) and they can't be classified as Punjabi.And without carving out haryna and himachal from East Punjab there would have been no Sikh majority.

That's not entirely true.  The northern districts of Haryana and Western districts of Himachal spoke and still do speak some form of Panjabi. Hindi in Ambala, Panchkula, Sirsa, Fatehabad, Jind, Shimla, Una, Solan, Chamba, Western Kangra, Bilaspur, and Kurukshetra is rather new. Hindi was promoted The dialects spoken are more closer to Panjabi than to Hindi. I can go to Kullu and have no difficulty with language there as far as Panjabi is concerned.