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41 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Why do you think they are unintelligent idiots in relation to the topic at hand then? 

If you need to ask that question then you really need to take a good looking around. Look at this topic and the posts and then look at the rampant display of anti-gay harassment that goes on if anyone even attempts to come out.  

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1 hour ago, JUSTAJATT said:

you need to just go and top yourself, because your a human of the lowest order.. Don't tell me to go and F@@k myself, because i'll smack your bony a$$ to the floor and leave you crying. 

Good luck and fitteh teri dingaling deh,   Dirty man is you because I couldn;t even turm my back to you if we in same room u son of a b@tch

+1 I didn't notice this earlier, but we shouldn't be soft on issues like this. Even though Homosexuality is a threat to the great Sikh teachings, do we really need to treat them that way. Homosexuals by nature hate the Panth as you can see from @AjeetSinghPunjabi irresponsible behavoir. But the way I see it you aren't really much more respectful.

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33 minutes ago, Kira said:

If you need to ask that question then you really need to take a good looking around. Look at this topic and the posts and then look at the rampant display of anti-gay harassment that goes on if anyone even attempts to come out.  

They should understand what community they come from, what faith they come from, as well as what world they come from. Those being gays shouldn't be coming-out of the closet as all, it will only cause distress to their parents and their loved ones. What good can come out of confessing to such a thing?

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1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

Geezer, there ain't no need for this kind of talk. 

sorry dude, i had to use that tone in reply to the filth he wrote towards me in an earlierr post that you probably missed.

His earlier post was>>>>>>>>>>>>

4 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

JUSTAJATTKHAN , you cracked me up at Adam and Eve. 

Honestly, if you wanna pretend to be follower of an abrahamic cult, go the whole hog and convert to islam . 

Then you have a complete license to hate/kill gays. If you're lucky , you can travel to ISIS and toss gays from building tops. 

You pretend to "know-all" . How do you know its only male and female in god's creation ? Where would you put khusre (not gays)  then ? what about asexuals and hermaphrodites ? many species of the world don't even have a gender or can switch genders as per circumstances . 

You're just a prick who has neither understanding of gurbani nor basic etiquette. 

You're the same guy who has food stuck in his bushy mustache and lassi , and then does "burraah" after he's done eating .:rofl Dirty man 

and then he rants>>

4 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

So, in your opinion what should gays do ? practice celibacy all their life. You think its easy ?

I am sure your grandparents said same crrap about your generation the same way you say about millenials ! 

Just because homos make u uncomfortable is no reason to deny them their rights or dignity . Go f**k urself dude. 

Its with every generation gap. nothing new 

you see what you probably skimmed past?????

I mean this kind of guy needs a proper beating. I've repeatedly told him that sikhi is about being GOD-orientated, however, he just wants to justify and blend his twisted sexual orientation>>>>>and frankly, I've had enuff of this rubbish and am not standing for no more. 

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1 hour ago, Kira said:

If you need to ask that question then you really need to take a good looking around. Look at this topic and the posts and then look at the rampant display of anti-gay harassment that goes on if anyone even attempts to come out.  

Unless we express our repulsion towards this rebarbative trend it will never get nipped in the bud, particularly in the sikh community. They think it is very trendy or westernized to become gay. If they are not gay they are not westernized enough. Lots of these young men find western men very attractive because they watch them in porns. They blindly imitate every single trend that originates from the west even if it does not agree with their culture or religion or family background.  They watch too much pornography together with immoral bollywood trash. They have lost their values which have basis in sikhi. They prefer gand above everything opposite of gand. Moreover, how can anyone expect these men to like women when their culture prefers to have boys all the time  Giving birth to girls is considered an evil sin. They grow up watching their sisters are not treated nicely just because they are girls. How can anyone in their right minds expect these boys to grow up and have a liking for girls when they have grown up learning how to hate them by their parents or relatives?

2 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

So should we expect gays in our society to continue in that vein? I know some apnay (who are married with kids) are undercover gandus too - or at least don't mind indulging when an opportunity arises. That's despite the 'respectable' family facade. 

Should it be a case of 'pursue your own proclivities in your own time', in the meanwhile carry on with the facade like you are a respectable heterosexual member of society?

They probably married because of pressure from their <banned word filter activated> parents who were probably gundus, preferring boys over girls, themselves. Why do they have to get married if they know they are homosexuals. Two men can't produce a family naturally, what's the point of getting married if they are gay? They should not get married at all because even if they adopt children as a married couple what kind of example will they be setting to those children? How will they tell friends they have two men as parents and don't know which one is a mummy or their daddy? They will be preparing a next generation of gays by normalising their gayness and gay marriage with their example. They will be playing mummies and daddies and confusing their adopted children. People need to come out in the open and tell everyone they are gay and never get married.

For sex, they should lead celibate lives. If you come from a family background where girls were always seen as a unnecessary burden, ignored, neglected or put down because they of their gender all the time then no one can expect boys to grow up and have a high esteem for women. They will turn to their own gender for gratification and company.

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Here are some Facts

1. There is nothing against being gay as per Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

2. Waheguru loves all of us, but not equally. 

3. Those that remember and chant His name get to sit closer to Him. 

4. The three pillars of Sikhi are naam japna, kirat karni, vand shakna i.e. NECESSARY for growth. 

5. The Lavaan are non-gender specific

Now here are some facts mixed with my opinion

Heterosexual couples can reproduce. This can count towards seva. One of the greatest seva one can do is bringing another soul into the path of Truth, of Gursikhi. Homosexual couples cannot reproduce. Both homosexual and heterosexual can adopt. 

 Whether you adopt or give birth to a family; if at the end of the day, your child is deluded in Maya, then you have failed your duty as a parent, and the Sikh duty/ seva to further our PANTH. 

Those 'sikh' weddings with people having an anand karaj and drinking the same night and then having kids which are 'agnostic' or 'sikh-but-don't-read-any-gurbani' aren't doing the panth much favours either. 

If there was a Gursikh homosexual couple that woke up every morning to remember Waheguru, adopted children and (tried to their best) to instil these teachings, do seva, further the panthic.... I hope I am not being blasphemous here, but the workings of the family seem much the same to a heterosexual Gursikh couple, only difference is the method in which they show physical love towards each other. 

 

It is hard to define what is Kaam; what is too little, too much?

It's easier to think of e.g. anger. Avoid it, but at the right time, use it. Same with greed, attachment, ego. There are instances in life we have to use these for our advantage. But it's such a fine line (like a silver hair). For that, I can only try to understand myself, I am in no place to dictate for others. 

Can't exactly say if it's only sex 1/ week then it's aight but any more than that it's kaam lol. For some that 1/ week may be super lustful. 

 

 

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18 hours ago, JUSTAJATT said:

sorry dude, i had to use that tone in reply to the filth he wrote towards me in an earlierr post that you probably missed.

His earlier post was>>>>>>>>>>>>

and then he rants>>

you see what you probably skimmed past?????

I mean this kind of guy needs a proper beating. I've repeatedly told him that sikhi is about being GOD-orientated, however, he just wants to justify and blend his twisted sexual orientation>>>>>and frankly, I've had enuff of this rubbish and am not standing for no more. 

Because he is looking for  someone on this forum who might give him one. He is advertising himself for wanna be gays. He also knows there are many undercover gundus on this forum and he ain't the only one, so he is playing innocent.

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On 06/08/2017 at 11:31 AM, JUSTAJATT said:

Being gay is NOT about sikhi.

Being Gay has NOTHING to do with Sikhi,,>>so why does the op keep bringing it in and asking for sympathy??

 

you gotta stop tampering and diluting sikhi to fit your own twisted agenda.  

 

SIKHI IS ABOUT YOUR ORIENTATION TOWARDS GOD.

IT IS NOT ABOUT YOUR SEXUAL ORIENTATION,,, SO JUST PACK IT IN AND STOP BRINGING UP THE SAME FILTH AGAIN AND AGAIN.

 

BTW. Being Gay should NOT be allowed in society..>>full stop.

We have messed up the world and it's play by being leneient and accepting all these divides. the divides just divide further and can never merge towards ONE. so in the light of spirituality>> you are walking AWAY from what is sacred and divine the more you divide.

today we shall accept gay people as norm,,, then gay marriage, then gay anand karaj,. then it will go to paedophiles and other fetish fangs saying that they have a medical problem,, they're born that way,,, we being unfair and predjudice,,blah blah>>>blaaah.. then the paedos will want sympathy and wanna be accepted as norm just like all the pufters currently are.... you guys are just killing and destroying the play of God.

SHAME ON YOU ALL

Douche 

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On 06/08/2017 at 1:01 PM, Jacfsing2 said:

people didn't always talk openly about sex back then, in fact, only until the British came did Sikhs have western perspective of sex. In the past nobody debated it like you are doing now.

Erm... How do you know this to be true? India is the land karma sutra many would say that it was victorian puritanism that led to the discussion of sex to become proscribed 

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