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I dont think homosexuality is allowed in sikhi but with the modern world and kalyjug always rising homisexuality has increased .  Is there any gurbani on this. Btw I am straight

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Being Gay is not something that's wrong in of itself, the act of Kaam is wrong. In the same way straight people shouldn't be lusting over anyone, homosexuals shouldn't either. 

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I'm sure hiding your true identity, living a double life, hurting others and your own self in this process is way worse.

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No Homosexuality isn't a sin, it's mainly due to genetics. That being said as @Jacfsing2 said, Kaam in itself is a sin. Gay people have the same chances of reaching God providing they follow Guru Sahib to the dot.

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On 04/08/2017 at 11:22 AM, Guest Singh said:

I dont think homosexuality is allowed in sikhi but with the modern world and kalyjug always rising homisexuality has increased .  Is there any gurbani on this. Btw I am straight

Homosexuality has not increased. 

Its just becoming more accepted and open. Homosexuals never got their rights served to them on a silver platter.

Our fight and struggles are comparable to that of sikhs .

I am at intersection of gay and sikh. I know the harsh struggles one has faced for being gay or sikh .

Both were persecuted and still are .

One would expect sikhs would have compassion , empathy and understanding of LGBT people, but in both real life and online world (including this forum) , I find sikhs are either outright homophobic or subtly homophobic but rarely accepting . 

I attribute this to general human culture and macho punjabi-sikh culture . 

If homosexuality were a choice, no one would choose . 

Gurbani says nothing on this topic, because gurbani is pure philosophy of spirituality , a vast amount of which is still not understood by us  , as gurbani tends to be mystical most of the times.

 

Never make fun of a homosexual or transgender. God is the queerest of all , without gender, without love . 

 

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5 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Being Gay is not something that's wrong in of itself, the act of Kaam is wrong. In the same way straight people shouldn't be lusting over anyone, homosexuals shouldn't either. 

So straight people shouldn't be having sex except for reproduction too ?

that means once a married couple has a child or two (as per their family planning) , they should stop sex altogether, and never ever again indulge in sexual act . Also contraceptives is totally immoral as per your line of thought.

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5 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

So straight people shouldn't be having sex except for reproduction too ?

that means once a married couple has a child or two (as per their family planning) , they should stop sex altogether, and never ever again indulge in sexual act . Also contraceptives is totally immoral as per your line of thought.

Married people are an exception, Gurmat has never promoted homosexual Anand Karaj. But before any sexual act, if they have it outside of married life it's not the Gurmat way.

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Being gay is NOT about sikhi.

Being Gay has NOTHING to do with Sikhi,,>>so why does the op keep bringing it in and asking for sympathy??

 

you gotta stop tampering and diluting sikhi to fit your own twisted agenda.  

 

SIKHI IS ABOUT YOUR ORIENTATION TOWARDS GOD.

IT IS NOT ABOUT YOUR SEXUAL ORIENTATION,,, SO JUST PACK IT IN AND STOP BRINGING UP THE SAME FILTH AGAIN AND AGAIN.

 

BTW. Being Gay should NOT be allowed in society..>>full stop.

We have messed up the world and it's play by being leneient and accepting all these divides. the divides just divide further and can never merge towards ONE. so in the light of spirituality>> you are walking AWAY from what is sacred and divine the more you divide.

today we shall accept gay people as norm,,, then gay marriage, then gay anand karaj,. then it will go to paedophiles and other fetish fangs saying that they have a medical problem,, they're born that way,,, we being unfair and predjudice,,blah blah>>>blaaah.. then the paedos will want sympathy and wanna be accepted as norm just like all the pufters currently are.... you guys are just killing and destroying the play of God.

SHAME ON YOU ALL

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1 hour ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Married people are an exception, Gurmat has never promoted homosexual Anand Karaj. But before any sexual act, if they have it outside of married life it's not the Gurmat way.

No dude ! This is just a hetero-sexist attitude . i.e if a straight couple does it , then its ok .

Contraceptives were not back then at guru's time. So how can you be sure of what their opinion is on this topic. 

Tell me again how mediums like condoms and pills that prevent conception, not defeat the "purist" "religious" purpose of sex ?

Heterosexual sex with contraceptives (since the intention is to not have a child) is certainly exactly the same as homosexuality.

Otherwise you think god has a disgust with 2 men or 2 women , and not a man or a woman ?

Sikhs just like to pick and choose, like every other religion out there. We accept Akal Takht when it decries homosexuality, but when they pass a matta which we don't like, we say RSS/BJP or badals are controlling akal takht.

We , the "sikhs" , pick and choose just like every other religion out there 

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54 minutes ago, JUSTAJATT said:

Being gay is NOT about sikhi.

Being Gay has NOTHING to do with Sikhi,,>>so why does the op keep bringing it in and asking for sympathy??

 

you gotta stop tampering and diluting sikhi to fit your own twisted agenda.  

 

SIKHI IS ABOUT YOUR ORIENTATION TOWARDS GOD.

IT IS NOT ABOUT YOUR SEXUAL ORIENTATION,,, SO JUST PACK IT IN AND STOP BRINGING UP THE SAME FILTH AGAIN AND AGAIN.

 

BTW. Being Gay should NOT be allowed in society..>>full stop.

We have messed up the world and it's play by being leneient and accepting all these divides. the divides just divide further and can never merge towards ONE. so in the light of spirituality>> you are walking AWAY from what is sacred and divine the more you divide.

today we shall accept gay people as norm,,, then gay marriage, then gay anand karaj,. then it will go to paedophiles and other fetish fangs saying that they have a medical problem,, they're born that way,,, we being unfair and predjudice,,blah blah>>>blaaah.. then the paedos will want sympathy and wanna be accepted as norm just like all the pufters currently are.... you guys are just killing and destroying the play of God.

SHAME ON YOU ALL

What a rant ! 

I am no gay activist on this forum . If you see my activity here, its more about the panthic issues most of the times.

But you have a seriously low case of IQ considering the crrap you write .

You think you're a perfect sikh ? Who're you to decide what is within the line of sikhi and what is against it ?

You said If people accept gays, it will lead to acceptance of other "fetishes" . Its a common logical fallacy called the "Slippery slope argument".(If we accept something unconventional and taboo-ish, then it will lead us to slowly accept everything worse taboo-ish) . Nope , that doesn't work that way dude ! 

In every court case around the world decriminalizing homosexuality, the courts have observed that the key word is "consent". 

Remember , for the mughals , sikhs were a perversion . Idol worship is more heinous to a muslim than homosexuality is . Then maybe you should convert to islam too ? 

See how ridiculous I sound , right ? You sound the same way to me.

 

BTW, being gay is not a fetish or fantasy btw. Its reality for millions of people around the world, including a fair share of gay , lesbian, bisexual and transgender sikhs.

 

Gurbani says "Purkh main naar, naar main purkha. bujho brahmgiani" and also divine light is inside everyone. So please don't give me your lecture. 

50 minutes ago, JUSTAJATT said:

Ms AjeetSinghKaurPunjab

seriously????

keep your dirty fetish and dingaling out of the dharam

 

I don't have a problem if you taunt me as "kaur" . I never mentioned anything about any fetish here.

Being gay isn't a fetish , its a written-in-stone congenital reality for millions of people around the globe. 

 I respect kaurs and I think they're 1000 times better than "singhs" (jackals) like you. You're' not only homophobic, you're a misogynist and casteist too, Mr Jatt ! 

If god didn't want us to be gay, maybe he shouldn't have made us this way. 

God is quite queer too. Read Jaap sahib . 

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All the folks here (and anywhere else on the planet) find male homosexuality especially disgusting because the idea of a man inserting his <banned word filter activated> inside another man's rear is quite a revolting image in the head for most people.

Little do they know, many many heterosexual couple nowadays have unconventional sex (including anal sex) . I don't see the fuss over there . Why ? its between a man and a woman ? 

LGBT are the new  choode-chamyaar of modern era sikh world.

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1 hour ago, JUSTAJATT said:

so why does the op keep bringing it in and asking for sympathy??

I think OP has only written once on here. 

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40 minutes ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

No dude ! This is just a hetero-sexist attitude . i.e if a straight couple does it , then its ok .

 

 

No, it's not sexist at all, if an unmarried couple decided to have sex regardless of orientation, it's still wrong.

41 minutes ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

 

Contraceptives were not back then at guru's time. So how can you be sure of what their opinion is on this topic. 

No, but people didn't always talk openly about sex back then, in fact, only until the British came did Sikhs have western perspective of sex. In the past nobody debated it like you are doing now.

44 minutes ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

Tell me again how mediums like condoms and pills that prevent conception, not defeat the "purist" "religious" purpose of sex ?

People could have always had sex without pregnancy results. Again you have been indirectly believed in the Christian view of sex.

46 minutes ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

Heterosexual sex with contraceptives (since the intention is to not have a child) is certainly exactly the same as homosexuality.

No it's not, another factor that you've been brainwashed by from India was still ruled by Britain, even Hindus are thinking the same.

47 minutes ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

Otherwise you think god has a disgust with 2 men or 2 women , and not a man or a woman ?

Yes, that's exactly what it is, any couple that's not married and has sexual relations is not promoted by Gurmat. In Gurmat Homosexual Anand Karaj is not supported.

49 minutes ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

Sikhs just like to pick and choose, like every other religion out there. We accept Akal Takht when it decries homosexuality, but when they pass a matta which we don't like, we say RSS/BJP or badals are controlling akal takht.

If you can find any post where I said Badal was good, I will agree with you, but find actual proof.

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@Jacfsing2 , so the panth is discriminating against homosexuals by not allowing them to have sex without sinning , by not allowing gay anand karaj ?

So god wants only heteros to have sex, and not homos , without sinning ??

Sounds like an abrahamic concept of god most sikhs are used to thesedays.

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