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Don't think we realise how many gay/bisexual Sikh turban wearing men there are. I know if a few jatt tarkhan even khatri turban gay Sikhs who are obviously not out but do this undercover. Then there's that feminine namdhari gay. There are loads and I bet they feel they are stuck with no voice as their family will disown them and lose their friends. Quite tragic 

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17 hours ago, Destruction said:

Don't think we realise how many gay/bisexual Sikh turban wearing men there are. I know if a few jatt tarkhan even khatri turban gay Sikhs who are obviously not out but do this undercover. Then there's that feminine namdhari gay. There are loads and I bet they feel they are stuck with no voice as their family will disown them and lose their friends. Quite tragic 

Yup, there's lots of gay guys in Punjabi culture , just like any other culture.

I can bet my head on the fact that even in darbar of Guru Gobind Singh ji , there must have been atleast a few gays. But they wouldn't be seen as "gay" , rather as "single-for-life man in service of guru" or something along those lines. 

There must have been gays in companies of all 10 gurus.

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On 08/08/2017 at 10:31 AM, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Douche 

True , he is ! 

I have purposely not answered his rant. He thinks he's some kind of "know it all", giving me citations of "yin-yang" , "north-south"  etc but the fool doesn't understand human sexuality is not in white and black. 

Waheguru is infinite , then so must his creation be. Look through the telescope or through microscope, and there's no end to his wonders, no matter whichever way you look at it. 

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On 07/08/2017 at 0:17 AM, dallysingh101 said:

I think we're all a bit confused at the pace of things these days. 

You got blokes who are blokes one day, and then 'women' the next. The gender thing has become so fluid, and so darn quickly too. Some of us who remember a time when such things didn't happen (which wasn't long ago at all), still get a bit shocked. 

The greatest point is that all manner of things are being normalised without any discussion and then we are left to 'catch up' so to speak. And anyone who is shocked at anything is deemed regressive. It's social engineering at its finest.

 

Goes on to prove even more how unread you're on this topic.

Nothing happened overnight or even in 10-20-30 yrs. 

The word "uranian" (which means third-gender) was coined back in the 1825 by Karl Heinrich Ulrichs who used to study homosexuality. Then later we also had sigmund frued who had his own theories on why some people are gay. I am sure philosophers, psychologists , doctors and psychiatrist have studied homosexual behavior even way way before that, albeit undocumented.

Then we had nazis in 1940s torturing gay men by stripping them naked and leaving them outside in snow cold during winter. Nazi soldiers loved torturing to death gay men by putting a bucket on their head, stripping them and unleashing wild german shephards on them, who bit into them until they died a painful and humiliating death. Then we were put into gas chambers en-masse , just like jews. All sorts of medical experiments were done on homos because we were considered just like rats that can be tested upon. But we weren't considered human enough to be even mentioned as "victims of genocide in germany" by the german govt who didn't recognize homosexual genocide until 90s. 

Then we had the whole stonewall incident in 1969 in US . TBH, the stonewall riot was a tipping point against police brutality when the queens put up their hands and said "enough of it", enough of intimidation, sexual assaults, rapes, murders, not just by civilians but by police too.

When gay men started dying due to unknown virus (later known as HIV) in the 80s , no docs cared, after all society was being cleared of "dirty homosexuals". It was only when straight people started getting infected and dying, we got seriousness from US govt and medical authorities.

Then the gays had to struggle a lot in the 70s , 80s and 90s , risking their lives, for sake of getting rights legally. It wasn't until 2003 that their decades-old self-less efforts paid back when US supreme court decriminalized homosexuality. 

It took them another decade to lobby the democrats to support gay rights and marriage.

If gays today are cutting wedding cakes and marrying, its not happened overnight. And my people were certainly not given that on a silver platter. We had to go against the tide and fight really hard to get what we secured so far because Waheguru was with us  , and still we have a long long way to go. 

Now compare that to straight men who has always has his rights given to him on a golden platter and put on pedestal just coz he's a d**k between his legs and feels desirous for women .

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Truth is (when I think about it) is that I haven't got an issue with homosexuality, transgenderism etc. etc.  To me it's like moorings and standards of another culture (which they have full prerogative to set), but when these other cultures norms are now being encouraged within our own society - directly as the result of outside influence - I think it is perfectly right (and not to mention smart) to put the brakes on things and have a very careful think about things from our own panth's perspective. 

Nope totally wrong yet again ! 

Being gay is not about this culture or that culture. Gays cut across all cultures, races , nationalities and religions. Assume 1% of any population is gay . You think there were no gays in vaisakhi of 1699, or in darbar of Guru Gobind Singhji sometimes, or a gay or lesbian ever met Guru Nanak ? But in sikhi all these things are inconsequential. 

As Hillary Clinton so beautifully quoted 

"Gay people are born and belong to every society in the world. They are all ages, all races, all faiths. They are doctors and teachers, farmers and bankers, soldiers and athletes. And whether we know it, or whether we acknowledge it, they are our family, our friends, and our neighbors.
Being gay is not a western invention. It is a human reality"

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On 06/08/2017 at 7:21 PM, JUSTAJATT said:

just get the hell outa here you poofta

God damned lgbt,>>they've even knicked God's holy rainbow to represent themselves..  

My jatt factor has nothing to do with your sex-fetish. you might as well stick your dingaling in  a dog and you probably already do the way>> you try to justify men-women having anal.

If you were stood right here and said that to me>>> i'd slap your boney A$$$ to the floor. How dare you tell me and my kaurs that it's okay doing anal.  .. You spent your whole life watching porn like all u pervs from india do.

 

LOL ! :rofl 

 

On 06/08/2017 at 10:59 PM, Kira said:

This is why South Asian communities as a whole are the most unintelligent idiots I've come across in this modern day, saying this while I am one. No wonder so many youth turn their backs on Sikhi.

I think sikhi is an amazing religion full or rich philosophy and history, a complete lifestyle that one has to completely dedicate itself to before one can expect anything. But unfortunately we as sikh community are quite passive in propagating it to non-sikhs.

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5 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

There must have been gays in companies of all 10 gurus.

The oldest example of where I can get an example of what happens to gays is in the Bible. I do not intend it to be offensive or discriminatory, however it is just for the purpose of knowledge. The following link describes what God actually wants. 

 

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+19

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4 hours ago, sikhni777 said:

The oldest example of where I can get an example of what happens to gays is in the Bible. I do not intend it to be offensive or discriminatory, however it is just for the purpose of knowledge. The following link describes what God actually wants. 

 

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+19

Nah a followers of Mian Mir Ji was gay, If I remember right there was a Sufi Pir who was gay, he met Guru Arjun Dev Ji (cant verify this as I read this a while back) but i'll look it up.

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