Is being gay wrong in sikhi

[dallysingh101]

20 minutes ago, Kira said:

This is why South Asian communities as a whole are the most unintelligent idiots I've come across in this modern day, saying this while I am one. No wonder so many youth turn their backs on Sikhi.

Another millennial whose got their perspective drummed into them from the culture they've grown up in? 

[dallysingh101]

Is Sikhi not hetero-normative?

That being said, we've obviously not been instructed to physically harm gays like some others. I think there has maybe been a sort of quiet tolerance (a sort of 'ask no questions' thing) going on in Panjabi society. 

Might be better to keep it that way? I know that people preaching gay acceptance in Africa and the West Indies has actually made it even more dangerous for gay people there. There may be good reasons for our people to have been dealing with this thing like they have for so long. 

[Kira]

23 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Another millennial whose got their perspective drummed into them from the culture they've grown up in? 

Definitely. I mean look at me, I'm a walking talking SJW who lashes out at everyone over anything that isn't PC (!), for the record I have a very conservative outlook on life. 

[JUSTAJATT]

2 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

JUSTAJATTKHAN , you cracked me up at Adam and Eve. 

Honestly, if you wanna pretend to be follower of an abrahamic cult, go the whole hog and convert to islam . 

Then you have a complete license to hate/kill gays. If you're lucky , you can travel to ISIS and toss gays from building tops. 

You pretend to "know-all" . How do you know its only male and female in god's creation ? Where would you put khusre (not gays)  then ? what about asexuals and hermaphrodites ? many species of the world don't even have a gender or can switch genders as per circumstances . 

You're just a prick who has neither understanding of gurbani nor basic etiquette. 

You're the same guy who has food stuck in his bushy mustache and lassi , and then does "burraah" after he's done eating . Dirty man 

you need to just go and top yourself, because your a human of the lowest order.. Don't tell me to go and F@@k myself, because i'll smack your bony a$$ to the floor and leave you crying. 

Good luck and fitteh teri dingaling deh,   Dirty man is you because I couldn;t even turm my back to you if we in same room u son of a b@tch

[dallysingh101]

32 minutes ago, Kira said:

Definitely. I mean look at me, I'm a walking talking SJW who lashes out at everyone over anything that isn't PC (!), for the record I have a very conservative outlook on life. 

I think we're all a bit confused at the pace of things these days. 

You got blokes who are blokes one day, and then 'women' the next. The gender thing has become so fluid, and so darn quickly too. Some of us who remember a time when such things didn't happen (which wasn't long ago at all), still get a bit shocked. 

The greatest point is that all manner of things are being normalised without any discussion and then we are left to 'catch up' so to speak. And anyone who is shocked at anything is deemed regressive. It's social engineering at its finest.

Truth is (when I think about it) is that I haven't got an issue with homosexuality, transgenderism etc. etc.  To me it's like moorings and standards of another culture (which they have full prerogative to set), but when these other cultures norms are now being encouraged within our own society - directly as the result of outside influence - I think it is perfectly right (and not to mention smart) to put the brakes on things and have a very careful think about things from our own panth's perspective. 

[dallysingh101]

3 minutes ago, JUSTAJATT said:

you need to just go and top yourself, because your a human of the lowest order.. Don't tell me to go and F@@k myself, because i'll smack your bony a$$ to the floor and leave you crying. 

Good luck and fitteh teri dingaling deh,   Dirty man is you because I couldn;t even turm my back to you if we in same room u son of a b@tch

Geezer, there ain't no need for this kind of talk. 

[Guest Jacfsing2]

1 minute ago, dallysingh101 said:

I think we're all a bit confused at the pace of things these days. 

You got blokes who are blokes one day, and the women the next. The gender thing has become so fluid, and so darn quickly too. Some of us who remember a time when such things didn't happen (which wasn't long ago at all), still get a bit shocked. 

The greatest point is that all manner of things are being normalised without any discussion and then we are left to 'catch up' so to speak. And anyone who is shocked at anything is deemed regressive. It's social engineering at its finest.

Truth is (when I think about it) is that I haven't got an issue with homosexuality, transgenderism etc. etc.  To me it's like moorings and standards of another culture (which they have full prerogative to do), but when these other cultures norms are now being encouraged within our own society - directly as the result of outside influence - I think it is perfectly right (and not to mention smart) to put the brakes on things and have a very careful think about things from our own panth's perspective. 

If you asked our pre-british conquered ancestors about Honosexuality, (even the most liberal among them), it was never something that was discussed. 

[dallysingh101]

Just now, Jacfsing2 said:

If you asked our pre-british conquered ancestors about Honosexuality, (even the most liberal among them), it was never something that was discussed. 

So should we expect gays in our society to continue in that vein? I know some apnay (who are married with kids) are undercover gandus too - or at least don't mind indulging when an opportunity arises. That's despite the 'respectable' family facade. 

Should it be a case of 'pursue your own proclivities in your own time', in the meanwhile carry on with the facade like you are a respectable heterosexual member of society?

[dallysingh101]

1 hour ago, Kira said:

This is why South Asian communities as a whole are the most unintelligent idiots I've come across in this modern day, saying this while I am one. No wonder so many youth turn their backs on Sikhi.

Why do you think they are unintelligent idiots in relation to the topic at hand then? 

[Guest Jacfsing2]

2 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

So should we expect gays in our society to continue in that vein? I know some apnay (who are married with kids) are undercover gandus too - or at least don't mind indulging when an opportunity arises. That's despite the 'respectable' family facade. 

Should it be a case of 'pursue your own proclivities in your own time', in the meanwhile carry on with the facade like you are a respectable heterosexual member of society?

I don't recommend people devout to their fetish marry people who don't agree with them. In an ideal world, we wouldn't have these problems because nobody would be influenced by foreign cultures and the sex industry. (As in Honosexuality isn't a recommended ideal). Now in my first post I said this: 

"Being Gay is not something that's wrong in of itself, the act of Kaam is wrong. In the same way straight people shouldn't be lusting over anyone, homosexuals shouldn't either. "

I do think our people regardless of gender or orientation are more sexualized than they have openly been in the past. 

Personally, I could be friends with people who identify as Lesbian, but in no certain terms would I personally want to marry one of them, no offense to any lesbians, and I expect that many women wouldn't want to marry a gay guy either knowingly. That is something no level of being attractive could replace.