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2 hours ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

I'm always learning Gurmukhi my friend like everything there's always more to learn.. 

But going back to what you said do you actually have a reference point or was that something ethereal? 

Don't be dense, you know what I mean in this case. Go read the Rehitnamas of Bhai Nand Lal Ji and other Gursikhs. 

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17 minutes ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

I apologise I really didn't know what you were referring to... I've always found bhai nand lal, writing substantiative. Which other gursikhs do you refer to? 

Bhai Daya Singh Ji, Bhai Prahlad Singh JI and so on all wrote Rehitnamas. 

4 minutes ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Also to illustrate a point bhai nand lal ji doesn't mention anything about mixed race marriage which I find interesting? 

So? What has that got to do with anything? The Rehitnama is for Bhai Sahib on his instructions from Guru Sahib on how to live his life and the ideal life for Sikhs. Marriage is optional, not compulsory.

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25 minutes ago, Kira said:

Bhai Daya Singh Ji, Bhai Prahlad Singh JI and so on all wrote Rehitnamas. 

So? What has that got to do with anything? The Rehitnama is for Bhai Sahib on his instructions from Guru Sahib on how to live his life and the ideal life for Sikhs. Marriage is optional, not compulsory.

Very interesting.. 

Much food for thought.. 

So you would agree by the fact you have listed a number of sources,

that whilst we should draw upon each and every source the fact that there are differences means that we as the readers have to use a critical eye in accepting them as dogma since they all can't be right? 

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On 10/08/2017 at 10:57 AM, Sukhvirk1976 said:

I agree it means disciple.. But it can mean a disciple of knowledge in its widest sense. 

I've always thought it curious that in mool mantar the shabad is gurprasad and not guru prasad ie. Through the grace of knowledge 

@Kira why are you bothering with this troll.  There is a troll on sikhphilosophy.net forum named Lee.  This troll writes and acts in the same manner as that troll.  This troll has one job, to be a troll.  This troll can't read gurmukhi.  He has no knowledge on Gurbani.  He is having fun at your expense by finding different ways to trap you in an argument that goes in circles.  In other words he's a piece of <banned word filter activated>.  Gurbani says to be Sikh of the Guru and this troll will pick at any letter to write against Gurbani because he's a troll.  He has nothing else better to do as he receives tax payers income through welfare cheques; sits on his hands all day.  Again he's a piece of <banned word filter activated>

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Just now, Akalifauj said:

@Kira why are you bothering with this troll.  There is a troll on sikhphilosophy.net forum named Lee.  This troll writes and acts in the same manner as that troll.  This troll has one job, to be a troll.  This troll can't read gurmukhi.  He has no knowledge on Gurbani.  He is having fun at your expense by finding different ways to trap you in an argument that goes in circles.  In other words he's a piece of <banned word filter activated>.  Gurbani says to be Sikh of the Guru and this troll will pick at any letter to write against Gurbani because he's a troll.  He has nothing else better to do as he receives tax payers income through welfare cheques; sits on his hands all day.  Again he's a piece of <banned word filter activated>

SSA 

Akali fauj of Guru sahib was made up of  fearless warriors who had given 'sis'. Living shaheed . 

These days people are just screen names 

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11 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

@Kira why are you bothering with this troll.  There is a troll on sikhphilosophy.net forum named Lee.  This troll writes and acts in the same manner as that troll.  This troll has one job, to be a troll.  This troll can't read gurmukhi.  He has no knowledge on Gurbani.  He is having fun at your expense by finding different ways to trap you in an argument that goes in circles.  In other words he's a piece of <banned word filter activated>.  Gurbani says to be Sikh of the Guru and this troll will pick at any letter to write against Gurbani because he's a troll.  He has nothing else better to do as he receives tax payers income through welfare cheques; sits on his hands all day.  Again he's a piece of <banned word filter activated>

I really hope you start seeing the beauty in the world 

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20 minutes ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Very interesting.. 

Much food for thought.. 

So you would agree by the fact you have listed a number of sources,

that whilst we should draw upon each and every source the fact that there are differences means that we as the readers have to use a critical eye in accepting them as dogma since they all can't be right? 

All the rehitnama have the same core message. What a moronic thing to say, Dasam Granth addresses God from a different prescriptive doesn't make it any less of Guru's Bani than Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Sarbloh Granth is unique amongst all religious text, doesn't make it any less Gurbani. You need to go and learn from them rather than shouting that they aren't right. (in regards to the Rehitnamas) Go read them in their proper punjabi text, go read Gurbani in its proper Gurmukhi form. Your research is bland and hypocritical just like you. @Akalifauj is right about one thing. You try to act smart but it always backfires on you.

 

Come back and talk when you can do all of the above. Honestly atleast @Akalifauj has bothered to learn Gurmukhi, that's more than you've done in your life, ironically one of the rehitnama said Sikhs should all learn Gurmukhi. No wonder you want to throw doubt at them. 

Come back to the table when you're less of a hypocrite and can actually read the dialect. Otherwise be quiet and stop throwing your baseless statements around.

 

The topic of this thread is Amritvela inconvenience.Goodbye.

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4 minutes ago, Kira said:

All the rehitnama have the same core message. What a moronic thing to say, Dasam Granth addresses God from a different prescriptive doesn't make it any less of Guru's Bani than Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Sarbloh Granth is unique amongst all religious text, doesn't make it any less Gurbani. You need to go and learn from them rather than shouting that they aren't right. (in regards to the Rehitnamas) Go read them in their proper punjabi text, go read Gurbani in its proper Gurmukhi form. Your research is bland and hypocritical just like you. @Akalifauj is right about one thing. You try to act smart but it always backfires on you.

The topic of this thread is Amritvela inconvenience. Come back and talk when you can do that. Honestly atleast @Akalifauj has bothered to learn Gurmukhi, that's more than you've done in your life, ironically one of the rehitnama said Sikhs should all learn Gurmukhi. No wonder you want to throw doubt at them. 

Come back to the table when you're less of a hypocrite and can actually read the dialect. Otherwise be quiet and stop throwing your baseless statements around.

 

Goodbye.

Erm. I'm not sure how dasam Granth came into the conversation.. I didn't raise it with.. 

Now I'm really curious. I thought you might be a source of knowledge but you don't seem to want to share your knowledge... 

Earlier on this thread you were angered and said you had no time for people  'manipulating' or twisting rehit.. You said the rehit you abide by is not the SRM but of sources such as bhai nand lal etc.. However surely you see that there are differences between these texts and therefore one has to dig deeper? 

I also don't understand why or for what reason you ask me about my proficiency in Gurmukhi? 

 

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16 minutes ago, Kira said:

All the rehitnama have the same core message. What a moronic thing to say, Dasam Granth addresses God from a different prescriptive doesn't make it any less of Guru's Bani than Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Sarbloh Granth is unique amongst all religious text, doesn't make it any less Gurbani. You need to go and learn from them rather than shouting that they aren't right. (in regards to the Rehitnamas) Go read them in their proper punjabi text, go read Gurbani in its proper Gurmukhi form. Your research is bland and hypocritical just like you. @Akalifauj is right about one thing. You try to act smart but it always backfires on you.

 

Come back and talk when you can do all of the above. Honestly atleast @Akalifauj has bothered to learn Gurmukhi, that's more than you've done in your life, ironically one of the rehitnama said Sikhs should all learn Gurmukhi. No wonder you want to throw doubt at them. 

Come back to the table when you're less of a hypocrite and can actually read the dialect. Otherwise be quiet and stop throwing your baseless statements around.

 

The topic of this thread is Amritvela inconvenience.Goodbye.

Good bye. Stay blessed. 

Thank you for your comments 

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4 minutes ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Erm. I'm not sure how dasam Granth came into the conversation.. I didn't raise it with.. 

Now I'm really curious. I thought you might be a source of knowledge but you don't seem to want to share your knowledge... 

Earlier on this thread you were angered and said you had no time for people  'manipulating' or twisting rehit.. You said the rehit you abide by is not the SRM but of sources such as bhai nand lal etc.. However surely you see that there are differences between these texts and therefore one has to dig deeper? 

I also don't understand why or for what reason you ask me about my proficiency in Gurmukhi? 

 

Once again the point flew over your head. I think you need English classes, badly as you can't understanding basic English comparative statements. Read the Rehitnamas, none of them are any different from the others. 

The sheer arrogance of you as a person is hilarious, you come here to preach and give advice but you've not even started learning the source of it all. Your proficiency is non-existent so your knowledge is baseless and bland, Just like I wouldn't go onto an Islamic forum and start lecturing them on the Quran without having read it in Arabic, I find anyone coming on here and lecturing others on the dos and donts of Sikhi without reading all 3 granths are being huge hypocrites and Guru Sahib also makes similar remarks. The fact that you constantly think its alright to go around spreading things without having an iota of actual Gurmukhi knowledge within you is hilarious.  

I'll make this clear so an imbecile like you can understand. Do not hope to or even think that it's possible to understand anything within Gurbani without learning the actual script and the dialogue. Do not hope you'll get anywhere from "learning" from second hand sources and then blabbing them everywhere as though they are the truth. Does that clear it up? 

Come back to me once you can read from Gurmukhi, once you can do your own translations from the actual source. Then sit there and go around giving out advice about what to do and what not to do. 

You're free to dwell in Ignorance all you want. The sad fact is you're clearly not here to learn but constantly try to show off. Good Luck in that.

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On 8/8/2017 at 2:32 AM, Guest Followthelight said:

many think Sikh means student as in learner but really means student as in disciple. Two very different connotations. And the meaning we give behind this will impact our Sikhi. When I thought of myself as a learner I was easier on myself in a sense. When I see myself as a disciple I see myself as always trying to leave my ways (manmat) and abide by GuruJis ways (gurmat). Idk. When I only thought of myself as a learner it was more like walking in a field of daisies, appreciating but not fully committing ? Thoughts

:clap: Well said and i never thought about it that way !

Good Replies Kira without loosing cool !

Sukhvir man, why you being a troll. Seriously, most of us can tell that. 

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20 minutes ago, Kira said:

Once again the point flew over your head. I think you need English classes, badly as you can't understanding basic English comparative statements. Read the Rehitnamas, none of them are any different from the others. 

The sheer arrogance of you as a person is hilarious, you come here to preach and give advice but you've not even started learning the source of it all. Your proficiency is non-existent so your knowledge is baseless and bland, Just like I wouldn't go onto an Islamic forum and start lecturing them on the Quran without having read it in Arabic, I find anyone coming on here and lecturing others on the dos and donts of Sikhi without reading all 3 granths are being huge hypocrites and Guru Sahib also makes similar remarks. The fact that you constantly think its alright to go around spreading things without having an iota of actual Gurmukhi knowledge within you is hilarious.  

I'll make this clear so an imbecile like you can understand. Do not hope to or even think that it's possible to understand anything within Gurbani without learning the actual script and the dialogue. Do not hope you'll get anywhere from "learning" from second hand sources and then blabbing them everywhere as though they are the truth. Does that clear it up? 

Come back to me once you can read from Gurmukhi, once you can do your own translations from the actual source. Then sit there and go around giving out advice about what to do and what not to do. 

You're free to dwell in Ignorance all you want. The sad fact is you're clearly not here to learn but constantly try to show off. Good Luck in that.

I'm really very sorry.. But can you please actually tell me what it is you have found so offensive? You keep saying how angry you are with me but you are not specifying what it is.. I respect you but I have to say it starting to feel like you don't actually know what you are angry about 

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23 minutes ago, S1ngh said:

:clap: Well said and i never thought about it that way !

Good Replies Kira without loosing cool !

Sukhvir man, why you being a troll. Seriously, most of us can tell that. 

I'm not trying to be a troll brother just got lots of questions 

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9 minutes ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

I'm not trying to be a troll brother just got lots of questions 

No kidding brother. You seriously do have a lot of questions for the past few years. Thing is that how come you are not learning anything with answers posting from left and right over all these years...

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3 minutes ago, S1ngh said:

No kidding brother. You seriously do have a lot of questions for the past few years. Thing is that how come you are not learning anything with answers posting from left and right over all these years...

I'm always learning Bro! Just never bowing down! Chardi Kala! 

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12 minutes ago, S1ngh said:

No kidding brother. You seriously do have a lot of questions for the past few years. Thing is that how come you are not learning anything with answers posting from left and right over all these years...

Brother I'm learning and I respect the opinions people come with but I still have questions mainly because the answers I here from people are flawed 

 

But always learning 

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17 minutes ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Brother I'm learning and I respect the opinions people come with but I still have questions mainly because the answers I here from people are flawed 

 

But always learning 

For God's sake, start with learning Gurmukhi then. Until then, it just looks like you make things up to your own whims and dispositions. How serious can you be about this stuff if you can't even be ar5ed to learn the language required to access it properly? 

Learn Gurmukhi, and then get well read on Sikh literature, then you'd be in a position to run your mouth off with some actual substance to your words. Seriously. 

It's easier now than it's every been with the Internet. 

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57 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

For God's sake, start with learning Gurmukhi then. Until then, it just looks like you make things up to your own whims and dispositions. How serious can you be about this stuff if you can't even be ar5ed to learn the language required to access it properly? 

Learn Gurmukhi, and then get well read on Sikh literature, then you'd be in a position to run your mouth off with some actual substance to your words. Seriously. 

It's easier now than it's every been with the Internet. 

Why do assume I'm not well read? 

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27 minutes ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Why do assume I'm not well read? 

because maybe you don't realise in your flow that you repeat the same basic questions and jump to left field conclusions in cycles then refuse to consider you may be mistaken 'just never bowing down'. Maybe you should give your ahankar a rest, and learn from Guru ji because so far it seems to have gone over rather than in your head. Everyone is right , gurbani is straightforward to those with open hearts , and a willingness to learn/absorb/action , learn gurmukhi properly from a gursikh , do ardas for sumat and sabar then start your 'khoj'

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1 minute ago, jkvlondon said:

because maybe you don't realise in your flow that you repeat the same basic questions and jump to left field conclusions in cycles then refuse to consider you may be mistaken 'just never bowing down'. Maybe you should give your ahankar a rest, and learn from Guru ji because so far it seems to have gone over rather than in your head. Everyone is right , gurbani is straightforward to those with open hearts , and a willingness to learn/absorb/action , learn gurmukhi properly from a gursikh , do ardas for sumat and sabar then start your 'khoj'

Brother /sister.. 

That's what I'm trying to do, but some people just don't back up what they mean..? So I can't just agree.. 

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52 minutes ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Brother /sister.. 

That's what I'm trying to do, but some people just don't back up what they mean..? So I can't just agree.. 

Are you even Panjabi or from India?

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1 hour ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Brother /sister.. 

That's what I'm trying to do, but some people just don't back up what they mean..? So I can't just agree.. 

Are you even Panjabi or from India?

 

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3 minutes ago, GuestSingh said:

Are you even Panjabi or from India?

 

Doaba! 

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1 hour ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Brother /sister.. 

That's what I'm trying to do, but some people just don't back up what they mean..? So I can't just agree.. 

If you engage directly with Guru ji like we are pushing you to do, you wouldn't need all these intermediate relationships with people about it. 

I think one of the first hurdles in developing your personal relationship is by diminishing the excessive reliance of others in interaction. Yeah, this can take a few years but you need to start that journey now. Until you do that, most of what you're doing with arguing this that and the other with other people regarding these deep elusive spiritual matters is just a waste of time. 

You can't back up what you are saying either because you haven't had that direct relationship. 

Do yourself the biggest favour ever and jump into this asap. It'll be life changing.

And I have to say I agree with jkvlondon's point above about most of what you are coming with is just white, western, leftfield worldview dressed up as Sikhi (i.e. 'Sikhism') - the fact that you haven't discerned this says a lot. 

 

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Why do assume I'm not well read?

 

I've been where you're at. Having read most of my knowledge of 'Sikhism' from books in English over decades. It's only when I engaged directly (after learning Gurmukhi) that I realised most of what I read was motivated bull5hit. It's important you get to that point quickly, because otherwise you're just going to be another brainwashed guy who can't see through the fog. That's why (right now) you're essentially pushing lefty western values, but thinking you're pushing your own heritage. People have set so many traps for Sikhs (especially during colonisation), and we are almost born falling into them. If we don't learn about these tricks and dig ourselves out - we're in big trouble.  

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6 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

If you engage directly with Guru ji like we are pushing you to do, you wouldn't need all these intermediate relationships with people about it. 

I think one of the first hurdles in developing your personal relationship is by diminishing the excessive reliance of others in interaction. Yeah, this can take a few years but you need to start that journey now. Until you do that, most of what you're doing with arguing this that and the other with other people regarding these deep elusive spiritual matters is just a waste of time. 

You can't back up what you are saying either because you haven't had that direct relationship. 

Do yourself the biggest favour ever and jump into this asap. It'll be life changing.

And I have to say I agree with jkvlondon's point above about most of what you are coming with is just white, western, leftfield worldview dressed up as Sikhi (i.e. 'Sikhism') - the fact that you haven't discerned this says a lot. 

 

I've been where you're at. Having read most of my knowledge of 'Sikhism' from books in English over decades. It's only when I engaged directly (after learning Gurmukhi) that I realised most of what I read was motivated bull5hit. It's important you get to that point quickly, because otherwise you're just going to be another brainwashed guy who can't see through the fog. That's why (right now) you're essentially pushing lefty western values, but thinking you're pushing your own heritage. People have set so many traps for Sikhs (especially during colonisation), and we are almost born falling into them. If we don't learn about these tricks and dig ourselves out - we're in big trouble.  

Brother thank you for taking your time to respond with your comments.. 

But Bro what view point or opinion is that people or you is it that is so controversial 

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