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25 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

With age comes wisdom, as the saying goes, and I've come to realise after having perused the details of other comparable cultures and races around the world throughout history, that fundamentally we need our own country for the long term survival of our people. Yes, the old arguments of, "Can't run a gurughar, how are you going to run an country?" are valid as ever, yet the truth is that we are currently being squeezed out of existence. It's happening so quietly and at such a gentle pace that we can barely detect it, but essentially we will not survive as a people if we remain under Indian rule. I'm not advocating armed resistance from my relatively safe western vantage point, because that would make me a hypocrite, but I am asking for an awareness and acknowledgement that there is a problem that needs to be addressed.

Currently, we as a people are on a downward curve in every discernible measure. The first step is to get our house in order. Individual responsibility centring around a positive and strong identity. We've been divided to the point of dilution. It's ludicrous how easy we allow ourselves to be divided. Without unity we will fail. There's no avoiding it. 

 

Until we sort our act out just remember that Jews survived for a long while without a homeland. Granted we are generally a barn dancing backward bunch of mofos in comparison to them (right now), but still, others have done it, so can we. 

 

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13 minutes ago, veer83 said:

Agreed. For one, Sikhs should have more kids, 1-2 isn't going to cut it.

India must grant freedom to a separate state, although I'm not sure if the Hindu majority districts/ Chandigarh would comply, if we were to assume that the Indian government is receptive to Punjab independence.

 

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for this one. 

We need strong diasporic enclaves until then. That's what we need to focus on. UK Sikhs look like they will be the models given the 'combustibility' of the situation we are in here. 

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7 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Until we sort our act out just remember that Jews survived for a long while without a homeland. Granted we are generally a barn dancing backward bunch of mofos in comparison to them (right now), but still, others have done it, so can we. 

The difference between the Jews and the Sikhs from before Jews having their own country, was they owned stuff and had the banking system. Sikhs today don't even own a monopoly for anything that could in any way support the future Sikhs. Also unlike Jews, Sikhs today are the "all religion are equal" types, as opposed to the previous Jews, who have always believed they were Yahweh's chosen people. Also Sikhs don't have the same mega support Jews get from the strongest military.

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7 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

The difference between the Jews and the Sikhs from before Jews having their own country, was they owned stuff and had the banking system. Sikhs today don't even own a monopoly for anything that could in any way support the future Sikhs. Also unlike Jews, Sikhs today are the "all religion are equal" types, as opposed to the previous Jews, who have always believed they were Yahweh's chosen people. Also Sikhs don't have the same mega support Jews get from the strongest military.

Wake up. Israel only come about after WW2. They've been prancing about like nomads for centuries before that. 

 

Ultimately we as SIkhs are going to have to go through natural selection. Any physically and mentally weak b1tches  in our society (both male and female) won't cut it. 

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3 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Wake up. Israel only come about after WW2. They've been prancing about like nomads for centuries before that. 

Are you really denying that Isreal gets U.S. support? 

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10 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Until we sort our act out just remember that Jews survived for a long while without a homeland. Granted we are generally a barn dancing backward bunch of mofos in comparison to them (right now), but still, others have done it, so can we. 

They had many factors working in their favour that we simply can't replicate. I wonder if we have generally lower IQs than them? I sometimes wonder whether there's a number of geographical and cultural disadvantages that hold us back. South East Asia as it's come to be is not working in our favour. It's actually a regressive and negative force that's saddled us with baggage in my opinion. 

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47 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

They had many factors working in their favour that we simply can't replicate. I wonder if we have generally lower IQs than them? I sometimes wonder whether there's a number of geographical and cultural disadvantages that hold us back. South East Asia as it's come to be is not working in our favour. It's actually a regressive and negative force that's saddled us with baggage in my opinion. 

I know this is sensitive topic for many in the panth, but I don't think we have lower IQs, I just think our Sikh culture has been decimated and replaced by a very simplistic, base peasant culture during colonialism (a, to dumb us down and b, to keep the agricultural economic model goray were milking continuing). We're still wallowing in the gutter as a community in this respect. All the sophisticated stuff our culture once exemplified (literature, education, training, poetry, statecraft, spiritual reflection etc.) has been replaced with drinking, jamboreeing and petty one-up-manship. How could we not be bewakoofs if hordes of us live and think like unsophisticated pendus? 

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14 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Are you really that simple? I'm talking about surviving until we get a nation (maybe centuries down the line).

If you compare the scenarios of the Jews getting a country, and the Sikh Shaheeds for Khalistan independence, the scenarios were completely different. It's like comparing the Subcontinent from before the Foreign invaders to today, completely different scenarios.

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21 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

They had many factors working in their favour that we simply can't replicate. I wonder if we have generally lower IQs than them? I sometimes wonder whether there's a number of geographical and cultural disadvantages that hold us back. South East Asia as it's come to be is not working in our favour. It's actually a regressive and negative force that's saddled us with baggage in my opinion. 

I think the biggest component is people among our group being more interested in the extremes of both sides. Today many people claiming to be Sikhs follow un-Sikh practices openly; and share it with Non-Sikhs, if you compare that to some devout Christians or Muslims, they tend to usually keep the problems secretive and not spreading as quickly as us.

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